Talk:List of Soul Reapers in Bleach

Shuhei's release - a pair or not?

This particular detail has come up several times since it was revealed and I want a definite answer to avoid conflict. Should Kazeshini be counted as a paired zanpakuto or not? Yamamoto once stated only two paired zanpakuto's exist, Ukitake's and Kyoraku's, though I believe he meant paired swords and Kazeshini is a kind of kama, but it would defy a verifiable fact to say Kazeshini is a third. Akke Bandvagn (talk) 15:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Edited - My opinion on it is that Yamamoto meant Ukitake and Kyouraku were the only paired swords as you put. Bleach has contradicted itself more than once and this is no difference. If we were to say Shuhei's weren't paired simply because of the chain that holds them both together or something along those lines, then we would also have to discredit Ukitake's from being a paired zanpakutou as well, despite Yama stating it was. If we were to get technical too, even though he is a filler character Enryū also has a paired zanpakutou in the shape of fists also attached by chains. DaisukeVulgar (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So wouldn't it be more accurate to say "a pair of kama-like weapons" rather than "the third paired zanpakuto"? Akke Bandvagn (talk) 17:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The paired weapon line is WP:OR. Cut it. Unless someone explicitly refers to his zanpakutō as "paired", then we're grasping at straws here. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 17:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:OR doesn't even come close to applying. The definition of "paired" is not OR, nor is the picture we have of his release form. It is WP:OR, however, to assume Yama is talking about swords. He simply said "the only two that exist in a pair." 207.80.142.5 (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Calling his zanpakutō the "third paired zanpakutō in the series" is OR. Saying that the weapon is a paired set of kama is not OR. Note the difference. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So it's OR to say it's a zanpakuto? Or are you harping on "third," which wouldn't be OR at all seeing as though it is indeed the third one revealed to be a pair? Suigetsu 22:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Watching the episode wherein Ukitake and Shunsui fight with Yamamoto, it appears that the dual-zanpakuto classification depends on how many unreleased zanpakuto you wield. Note that only Shunsui has two unreleased zanpakuto, but before or perhaps during) Ukitake's release, his zanpakuto seems to duplicate. (As a fun little theory, perhaps Shunsui has two copies of the same zanpakuto. Diamond Dust rebellion shsowed that multiple copies of s zanpakuto can exist, even with different owners, so why can't one person have two of a single zanpakuto?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.116.197.51 (talk) 05:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Ukitake's has one sealed, and transforms into a pair when he releases, and it's still counted as a "pair." Kazeshini is the same way. That's the only part of your post that I'm going to respond to; the rest is fancruft. 207.80.142.5 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC).

Even if Kazeshini technically is a pair I don't want to say "third paired zanpakuto" until we get some in-universe confirmation. It seems like everyone here except for Suigetsu agrees that we should drop "third paired" until someone in the series refers to it as such. Should we drop it then? Akke Bandvagn (talk) 14:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but we're saying "third paired" as in it's third in order of introduction. In other words, there's really nothing that's WP:OR. Suigetsu 22:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

No Senna?

Why isn't Senna in the list? In the artcile for the Heat the Soul series of games there's a link to the page in the Other section of the page and she isn't even on there. She was in the first movie and was a Soul Reaper. So why isn't she on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

In general, characters which only appear in the films are covered only in those film articles. They are considered to be no different from one-episode characters and unnotable for inclusion in this list. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

No commands?

If the arrancar have it, why not the soul reapers? Is there any specific reason? -150.108.232.21 (talk) 15:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Because I am first cleaning up the Soul Reapers, then the arrancar. If anybody wants, delete the commands from the arrancar.Tintor2 (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I am currently in the process of working out a reorganization of the hollow/arrancar page, and unless someone beats me to it the commands will be deleted then. Akke Bandvagn (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

So I take it that the commands are useless information? -150.108.232.21 (talk) 02:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

The name of the zanpakuto is enough.Tintor2 (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, Kubo's starting to repeat certain commands, meaning they're becoming less unique to each individual character. 207.80.142.5 (talk) 19:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Translations

Should we have the "literally" part changed to this? Soul Reaper (死神, shinigami, literally "death god") Skeletawn (talk) 16:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Why? There really isn't a "literal" translation, from my understanding. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

What warrants some one getting a page or getting their page deleted?

I noticed alot of people's pages have disappeared and I'm wondering why others haven't it seems much more having to do with fan popularity over anything. People that shouldn't have a page: Such as Ichimaru Gin, he has little do with the current or any past major events that can't be covered in Aizen's page but yet he has his own page. People that should have page: Then there are people like Kisuke Urahara, who without him the whole series wouldn't have been possible because of his invention and trickery...Which if you want me to go into explanation into. Without his invention of Hōgyoku he wouldn't have been able to keep the Visoreds human and Aizen wouldn't have known that there was a successful way to do it outside his method. Then we go to 100 years later, when Rukia lost her powers she was given a Giga with the Hōgyoku inside, Aizen wouldn't have targeted if she was given a normal Giga...so with that alone should warrant him getting his own page.20:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It's got a lot to do with how much the character appears in independant sources such as reviews and interviews, Wikipedia has certain standards for stuff like that and if someone doesn't meet the notability criterias then they can't have a page of their own. And in-universe importance has very little to do with it, unfortunately. Akke Bandvagn 21:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Kira Izuru's zanpaktou

i forget manga it was, but it was recently that he zanpaktou was explained better. it can be translated as "apologizer" so after a few hits, the enemy is kneeling down, head bent down, as if apologizing. i feel like this is a necessary change. Diablo11d (talk) 05:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)