Talk:Dragon Tales

I have image(s) that could be included. I'll get on it ASAP. Agent0042 23:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

This article should probably be checked against the online cited sources for quotations, but I'm too lazy. Maestlin 20:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, was there something in particular you need checked? Because I'm the editor of the guide at TV.com and I haven't noticed anything blatantly inaccurate, but it's possible there's something I missed. Agent0042 00:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Not that it's inaccurate in content, but that I thought the wiki-article might be quoting its sources too closely. In particular I had in mind the descriptions of the characters. I took a very very quick look and it seemed to me that someone might have cut-and-pasted, then changed a word here and there. Maestlin 00:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know who sings the opening song? I actually like singing in harmony with it... Sproutviewer 13:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If you have Mungus the Giant on the charecter list, you have to put on more not important charecters, such as Sid the Tree.

Cast

Well, I was looking for the cast, but I guess I won't find out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.131.117 (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Quetzal's Age

How do we know he's 80? I could've sworn in an ep it was stated he was "hundreds" of years old. -WarthogDemon 04:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been the better half of a year since I said this but I'll be more specific. The episode in question I believe was "Snow Dragon." Quetzel was telling Max how he played there when he was little, and Max was like, "Wow it was that long? You must be a thousand years old!" and Quetzel laughed and said, "Well, hundreds anyway." -WarthogDemon 20:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Speculation, Incorrect Information and Fabrications

Aside from being very badly-written, this article is filled with information that seems to be totally unsubstantiated speculation and, in some cases, outright fabrication. The characters bios were taken verbatim (without attribution) from Sesame Workshop's website, but occasional incorrect statements have been added to them.

• I can't find any resource that states Max and Emmy's surname is "Joblin", or that Enrique's is "Patrez". As far as I know, none of these characters' surnames has ever been given. Furthermore, "Patrez-Joblin" implies that Enrique is in some way related to Max and Emmy. He is not.

• The character "monickers" (eg "The Other Dragon", "The Teachable Dragon") were fabricated. For example, Lorca has never been called "the Exploring Dragon"; that description doesn't even have anything to do with the character.

• The speculation that the children live in California is inappropriate (as is all speculation). We do not know where they live. The fact that there are "palm trees and mountains" does not mean they live in California. Thus, the statement that Dragonland is "in a more temperate climate" is completely unfounded.

• As WarthogDemon mentioned, Quetzel has never been said to be 80 years old. The only use of the phrase "80 years old" in reference to this series I can find is in the original script for an episode that states that another character, Captain Scalliwag, is 80 years old. (This is never stated in the series intself though.) I'm assuming someone took this and (erroneously) extrapolated that Quetzel is 80 as well, since they were friends when they were younger. This, again, is totally unfounded speculation. The statement that he has been in Dragon Land for centuries comes from his official bio; someone has added the ridiculous statement "although it is not known how this is possible, as he is only 80 years old" to it to cover the mistake.

• Unlike Enrique (who is speficially stated to be bilingual), we do not know that Quetzel is bilingual. All we know is that he speaks Spanish and English. He may in fact speak other languages that we are not aware of.

• I agree with a previous user who suggested that if Mungus the Giant is important enough to be included in the list of characters, other recurring characters like Sid Sycamore and Chilly the Snow Man should be included as well.

• The list of places in Dragon Land includes places that are only mentioned one time (eg the "Scale Store") but leaves out places that are visited repeatedly (such as the Dandelion Forest and Rainbow Canyon). Saying that the Forest of Darkness resembles "Mirkwood, and other Dark Forests" is ludicrous.

• The list of sponsors needs work. "And viewers like you" is not a legitimate sponsor. No company named "Fundworld" has ever been mentioned as a sponsor (at least not in the US). "Dextatrim Kids" does not exist and is obvious vandalism, so I have removed it. And I believe the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has, as with almost all other PBS series, been a sponsor for the entire time the series has aired. There was never a break. I'm pretty sure Chuck E. Cheese's was also a sponsor at one point, but it is not listed. And I don't recall a "Peterson Charitable Trust". I think this should be re-written as a paragraph listing companies who have been sponsors of the series at some point.

• "In a made-up sitcom, the episode Goodbye Little Caterpoozle is parodied by using a dusty sock puppet to imitate the faint images. Sometimes, Quetzal and Enrique are mentioned too." I have no clue what this is supposed to mean, but it sounds like it's supposed to be a joke.

• The opening paragraph attributes the creation of the series to one person; "Overview" credits it to someone else.

I'm listing these things here because it's entirely possible some of these them actually can be substantiated and I'm just not aware of them. However, if someone does not list sources for these things, they should be removed. It would be a good opportunity to re-write the article to improve its other flaws. Most importantly, the bios should be replaced with less-syrupy, non-POV ones. Olivix 17:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

attribution of two people => concept vs show creation —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.216.9 (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

• Who keeps posting about CAPCOM??? CAPCOM and Dragon Tales have nothing to do with each other.

No Longer On Air

Dragon Tales Went Off The Air on November 17 2006Ikethebaby 22:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thank God. --66.218.13.185 21:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It is not ridiculoius to say that the forest resembles mirkwood, and other dark forests, for it does. and the places that are visited once should also be mentioned. You're Wrong. You're All Wrong. Really.

Uh... what is this doing here? Saying the forest "resembsles Mirkwood" is ridiculous because "Mirkwood" is not a real place, and, thus, does not have a tangible appearance. The statement is also POV and adds nothing to the article. And if you believe places that are visited only once are important enough to be added, then, by all means, add them. All of them. Every single one. Otherwise, don't add any. And if you actually think someone is interested in that information, make a fan website. Wikipedia is not intended to be a fansite listing every minute piece of trivia about your favorite TV series. Olivix 12:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it is still running. I see my brother watch it all the time. T_T. Shindo9Hikaru 03:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude, but isn't his name org, and not ord? --Kebablover6 00:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Controversy

Is the main page the appropriate place to mention controversial issues surrounding the show, such as the possible drug usage that happens when handling the "dragon stone" (via skin absorbtion?), and the hallucinations that follow, including wallpaper characters that fly off the wall, the perception of another world, parents that never notice their kids gone (are they just quiet when hallucinating?), etc?

lol

yeah they're getting high, that would explain a lot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.192.197 (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

what? honestly, I thik the stone is supposed to be magic, and the flashing lights are supposed to be real. Magic can also explain parents not noticing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.18.71 (talk) 01:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Who is writing these things?

I see that the character desriptions have been changed. I don't understand why someone would bother replacing incorrect information and conjecture with different incorrect information and conjecture. Like, now it says Quetzel is 72. I have a suggestion: Try following Wikipedia's rules. CITE SOURCES. If you can't find a reliable source that states the information you want to include, do not include it. I suggest whoever has written the bulk of this article go make some "fan fiction" because this is not the place to make up "interesting" backstories for television characters. Olivix 12:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you be so kind as to tell me where you got your information on the characters' ages? I know Max is 4 and Emmy is 6, but I would like to know how you found the ages of the other characters.

• http://www.tv.com/show/5646/summary.html gives summaries of all the characters, and much of the information conflicts with what is here. I'm tempted to just remove the whole character section here because I'm too lazy to rewrite it all, and it really does seem to be fan fiction. Anyone want to take a crack at fixing it before I do? --Rehcsif 18:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's been almost 4 months, and the article is in even worse shape then when I wrote the comment above. I have completely removed the Characters section, since much of it is unsubstantiated, and much of the rest is in terrible condition. --Rehcsif 22:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

• Who keeps posting about CAPCOM??? CAPCOM and Dragon Tales have nothing to do with each other.

Last air date

Someone keeps changing the "Last Air Date". At first, it was "April 11, 2005", then it was changed to "present", then to just "2005", now it says "2007". Can anyone explain this?

Yes, the series is still currently on air on PBS in most American cities as well as Sprout

I think they're re-runs only? Because there are no news about new episodes, they are just re-runs. --68.127.162.104 17:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Then wyy does it now say "present"?

Cast

Who keeps changing the cast list. They are incorrect...please leave it alone.

Blatant copyvio

Okay--so, after making minor changes to the character descriptions (in the interest of my own personal grammar-fascist mission), I stopped and read the talk page, and it got me interested in where, exactly, these descriptions came from. After a little Googling, I discovered: what we have in the character section here is a BLATANT COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. Look at the character descriptions on the WP page, then go here: [1] Hmm. A slight similarity, yes? Since I don't have the time to rewrite the entire thing this afternoon, I will be puttering around with it bit by bit--but the current incarnation of this section has got to go. (I'm amazed at how many articles have issues like this--don't the schools teach about the evils of plagiarism any more?)Gladys j cortez (talk) 20:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Justification of my edit

Re: my edit of 12/17, 10:25 AM CDT: I don't normally revert good-faith edits, but there was really very little to be salvaged from this one. The grammar changes in the minor-character list were a matter of preference, and there is no character called "Old" nor any location called "Old's cave"--perhaps you're thinking of ORD? I realize we may be dealing with a younger editor here--the tone of the "Lorca" additions makes me think so--but in all good conscience I couldn't leave it as it stood. To the editor who made those changes: I apologize if my actions seem harsh; please keep trying.Gladys j cortez (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

"Mirkwood"

I am placing this here so that no one can say it's not been dealt with on the talk page: We have dealt with the whole "Forest of Darkness resembles Mirkwood" issue. Quoted directly from the relevant section above:

It is not ridiculoius to say that the forest resembles mirkwood, and other dark forests, for it does. and the places that are visited once should also be mentioned. You're Wrong. You're All Wrong. Really. (unsigned comment, probably from the same person who keeps adding Mirkwood now)

Uh... what is this doing here? Saying the forest "resembsles Mirkwood" is ridiculous because "Mirkwood" is not a real place, and, thus, does not have a tangible appearance. The statement is also POV and adds nothing to the article. And if you believe places that are visited only once are important enough to be added, then, by all means, add them. All of them. Every single one. Otherwise, don't add any. And if you actually think someone is interested in that information, make a fan website. Wikipedia is not intended to be a fansite listing every minute piece of trivia about your favorite TV series. Olivix 12:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

To summarize: Mirkwood does not exist in real life. It is impossible to give a valid, encyclopedic citation regarding the appearance of things which do not exist, nor to compare the appearance of one fictional place to another. If that's how you want to write, that's fine--for a fan site about Dragon Tales. Per policy, it is not acceptable style and content for Wikipedia. Gladys J Cortez 03:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The JLo's kids thing

As of right now (1PM CDT, Sat 1 March 2008) there is no reputably-sourced evidence that "Max" and "Emme", the newborn twin children of Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony, are named for the Dragon Tales characters. None. Zero. (Gossip columns and blogs? Not reputably-sourced.) Until VERIFIABLE information to this effect is published, further attempts to add this information to the Dragon Tales article will be treated as vandalism. WP:VER applies to cartoons and celebrities, too.Gladys J Cortez 19:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Although it will probably never be confirmed, the JLo/Mark Anthony naming of their twins is clearly a Dragon's Tale's reference. Maybe add it under trivia with the note that "it has been reported in the media" to qualify the addition. I don't think anyone would be offended by the suggestion and it is more than likely that the blogs and columns are right. I mean how many Latino Max and Emmes are there in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amycopro (talk • contribs) 04:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• I don't understand how something can "clearly" be the case if it will "never be confirmed". As for how many Latino "Max" and "Emme"s there are....I'm not up to the research project, but I'd guess there are probably about as many, speaking generally, as there were Latino "Jennifer"s born in 1969--my point being, none of the three is necessarily a common name for Hispanics of the given generations, but all three are absolutely top-5 names for the general population of kids born during the relevant years (spelling aside, which in this case it really shouldn't be--if she really WAS trying to name her kid after a cartoon character, wouldn't you think she'd at least spell it the same? It's like a Disney freak naming their kid after the mouse, but spelling it "Mikky". However, I digress.) My point, finally, is this: If you can find a REPUTABLE source--no TMZ, no fan forums, no blogs, no Perez Hilton, but a REPUTABLE source--and find a better place to put it than a "trivia" section (those are entirely frowned-upon in Wikipedia, and the way things are going I expect them all to be stamped out sooner or later)--if those two criteria can be met, then go ahead and add it. If you can source it reputably, that's what matters.Gladys J Cortez 07:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Cyrus the Serpent?

Can anyone list the episodes where Cyrus the Slinky Serpent appears? He appears to be the only true series antagonist, so he should have a sizeable entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.254.4 (talk) 01:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Character descriptions removed 10/30/08

The character descriptions are copyvio, taken almost directly from this site. The descriptions are FAR too close for comfort, and until they're rewritten in non-promotional language, any attempt to replace them with the old stuff will be viewed as copyvio and vandalism. I will, time permitting, try to rewrite them myself; however, anyone else who wants to take a crack at it is MORE than welcome. Thanks! Gladys J Cortez 15:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Character Descriptions

The guy above me is right. However, the current descriptions are too short. They need to be rewritten but I have no time now. I guess this does no good though because someone always replaces the information with incorrect, uncited material.--LepVektor (talk) 23:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)