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Manga for everyone?

I know this is listed as a "seinen" title, but is it true that the audience for it is mainly girls? Something about the art style seems to suggest it. 124.33.97.18 18:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to know! It looks interesting but I don't want kids laughing at me while I read it on the train. Dekimasu 02:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think this is a manga for anybody to enjoy. If you want to read it, read it. I read it and enjoy it myself and see nothing that would lead me to believe it's favored towards boys or girls. --Sir VG 04:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Young Magazine, the Magazine that it is published in is a magizine primarily read by men in their late teens and early 20s. While I believe that this manga has a larger female fanbase, it can easily be assumed that men are the target. I am not convinced that this is a Seinen manga. I could have sworn it was shojo... - 69.244.100.206 (talk) 03:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A series' demographic is determined by the magazine it's serialized in, not the audience it is (or is perceived to be) intended for. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 22:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

xxxHolic OSTs?

Does xxxHolic have any OSTs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.151.195 (talk) 18:54, April 17, 2007 (UTC)

This page is not for discussion of "xxxHolic", it is for discussion of the "xxxHolic" article. Please direct your question somewhere where it is more appropriate. Thank you. :-) -- HiEv 05:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And, yes, it does. They should be listed, but are not. 195.194.75.209 (talk) 14:02, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hitsuzen and Butterflies

Hitsuzen seems to be a concept that comprises causality, fate and destiny and so on. I'm just wondering whether it could also include the concept of the BUTTERFLY EFFECT. Somehow it seems related to Yuko's direct/indirect intervention on the wishes of her customers and situations going on in different plots throughout the Clampverse as I quote, "A result which can only be obtained by a single causality, and other causalities would necessarily create different results." It mirrors the Butterfly Effect concept. Or I could be overreaching. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.203.32 (talk) 23:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's hard to say because at other times she also mentions about how things are destined to happen, like when Watanuki first came to her store. It sounds to me more like the meetings of individuals is destined, but the choices they make might not be. Of course I could be seeing it wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinnai (talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that differs significantly from the concept of the Butterfly Effect, which proposes causality at the hands of random chaotic events, no matter how insignificant. Not only does Yuko's use of the butterfly fit more with her concepts of gradual metamorphosis, but also, it would conflict with her own concepts of hitsuzen, in which there is only one way things can turn out, whereas chaos theory gives the idea that anything can cause great change, no matter what. And as for a Wiki page, it would be speculation at best, and Wiki standards do not allow for speculation and OR. For those reasons, I don't think it should be added to the Butterfly Effect.Luminum (talk) 07:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. The general difference between the two is that Hitsuzen likens itself to inevitability. Events happen because there is no other outcome that could have happened. It is closer to destiny than causality, but without the general "invisible guiding hand" that destiny implies. Butterfly Effect seems to be more causality. If you put a drop of water on the very top of a pyramid shape, the Butterfly Effect would state that small instances of how it starts will determine which way it will slide down. Hitsuzen would more likely state that the mere choice of placing it atop that shape means it will end up at the bottom. StryyderG (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hitsuzen is discussed to a certain degree in a translation note in one of the first few volumes of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. That discussion could be used in the article, but not any conclusions you may draw concerning hitsuzen on this talk page (I'll have to see if I can find that translation note and then post it here for you). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Hitsuzen. A naturally foreordained event. A state in which other outcomes are impossible. A result which can only be obtained by a single causality, and other causalities would necessarily create different results.", as defined by Yūko Ichihara in the first volume of xxxHolic, as well as the translation notes provided in the first volume of Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. -thb 01:41, 09 April 2009

Tie Ins with non-Clamp series

While there is no real tie in with non-clamp related work, almost no chapter, and certainly no volume, goes without at least one reference to another non-clamp, usually older anime or manga. Considering Del Ray even goes to the extent in the back of their books to help point these out the reader I think some mention of them should be in. And this is almost as major part of the theme as the other references, though not sure if a it should be in the Tie In subsection or a new section should be added. We do not have to mention any of them specifically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinnai (talk • contribs) 08:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

butterfly effect

I removed:

Hitsuzen has been mentioned in Cardcaptor Sakura by Kaho Mizuki as she remarks that "there are no coincidences, only hitsuzen"

because it doesn't really seem relevant, and

It could also be interpreted as a form of determinism or a more pro-active form of the butterfly effect concept. More probably it might be an amalgam of those concepts.

because it's unsourced and I believe the author is using "butterfly effect" incorrectly. The butterfly effect specifically refers to a very minor change in cause creating an enormous variation in effect. Determinism or causality would be a better fit here, but since that would be both redundant and unsourced I just removed the line. Meliadoul (talk) 18:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which Egg, which person?

"in episode 11, the egg given to Watanaki by Yuuko is the same egg retrived by Sakura from the caves in Tokyo Revelations OVA."

Perhaps my brain's a little scrambled (no pun originally intended), but I thought the egg that Yuuko gave to Watanuki (that would hatch into Tanpopo) was the one she received from Infinity -Sakura gave up her luck, and it turned into an egg! The egg that she received from Acid Tokyo, Yuuko gave to Doumeki!

I'll try and get round to looking into it, see if I'm actually wrong on that!

T3021 (talk) 01:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HOLiC UK Release

Although there is no information on Manga Entertainment's website, they have technically confirmed that the first part of HOLiC is to be released, on 27 October 2008, in their August Newsletter:

The Mangazette 27.08.08 Issue: 37

As I didn't look at the address originally, I thought it was from someone who had hosted it on imageshack, and so I didn't use this as a reference, using UK Anime Net instead!

T3021 (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

I came to this page because a friend wanted to explain this series to me. However, I noticed there's a glaring deficiency: nowhere in the lead section does it say what the series is actually about. Someone needs to rectify this. Explain the premise in one or two sentences, that's all. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holic redirect.

There is a game called Holic or Holic Online by Mgame/Netgame. Holic however automaticly redirects to xxxHolic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.77.255 (talk) 10:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it at all related to Xxxholic? Cause if it isn't we should just have that redirect deleted. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 12:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More appropriate would be to see about turning it into a disambiguation page - there has to be more than just xxxHolic (this page), Holic (the game mentioned above), -holism (addiction), and Holism (the idea that a system is more than just the sum of its parts). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 19:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any reliable sources covering Holic Online, I'm thinking perhaps this isn't that big of an issue. I vote we do nothing, but I'm willing to reconsider though. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 21:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

archiving

I archived much of the older discussions on the page (2007 and before with no newer comments). Anything doing with the naming controversy I have archived separately so that it is easily accessible.じんない 09:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]