Talk:Obi-Wan Kenobi
Master
Who does Obi-Wan train with after hiding Luke on Tatooine? Missing from that part.
Qui-Gon Jinn or Yoda may have trained him...or, Obi-Wan may have not needed training, or had been rusty and hadn't got training since his days on the Jedi Council. He failed to destroy Darth Vader, and Yoda was the one to teach Luke the Force, perhaps Obi-Wan didn't train inbetween Revenge of the Sith & A New Hope, which is why he and his lightsaber were more rusty in Episode IV then in Episode III? Something to think about.
Rework sentence on duel with Anakin
Regarding the duel on Mustafar-- while it's true that Obi-Wan did cut off Anakin's legs and remaining original arm, that wasn't really what forced him to don the Darth Vader suit. His near-immolation, and all the smoke inhalation on top of that, was the icing on that particular cake. Anyone have an idea how to restructure that particular sentence, if you agree it needs restructuring? --ekedolphin 02:25, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not entirly sure which sentence you're referring to, but I'm going to assume it's the following:
Vader, though he sustained near-fatal third-degree burns and severe lung damage, survived and was later saved by Palpatine via extensive medical prosthetics and a fearsome breath-mask.
I personally don't know that too much restructuring would be required, but if it is altered, a little emphasis on the lung support systems wouldn't hurt. Perhaps something along the lines of:
...was later saved by Palpatine via extensive medical prosthetics and suit life support systems to aide his terribly damaged respiratory system, complimented by a fearsome breath-mask. - Angel Blue 451 03:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Age and relation of Anakin & Obi-Wan
Before the release of the Phantom Menace it seemed to me that Kenobi and Anakin were much closer in age, and that the inital impression I got was that the two were classmates. The way Kenobi spoke in A New Hope of Anakin seems to support that. It was only after the release of the new films that Kenobi became more of a father figure to Anakin. --JesseG 05:19, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I have to say that, based on how Obi-Wan spoke about Anakin in Return of the Jedi, Lucas always intended for Obi-Wan to be Anakin's mentor. Of course, Obi-Wan didn't mention it was Qui-Gon's idea originally, so that makes me think that Qui-Gon was added into the storyline later on.Bold textActually, in Ep. 1, the original storyline had Obi Wan discover Anakin. For purposes of the story, George Lucas decided to divide the origonal concept for Obi Wan into two characters...Qui Gon and Obi Wan.
- People- sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) M412k 01:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Siblings
- Little is known of his birth family, though Obi-Wan does remember a brother named Owen. (No relation to Owen Lars)
Where did you get this information? The official Star Wars website says he has a brother, but doesn't name him. Are you sure this is canon?
- It says that he has a brother named Owen in one of the Jedi Apprentice books, A Hidden Past. Yes, there is no relationship to Owen Lars, I believe. -- KFan II
- The original version of Episode IV mentioned Owen as Obi-Wan's brother, I think, or at least implied it. The reference was removed for the special edition. --M412k 01:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
- It was in the radio adaptation of E4, and was later used in numerous books. The "no relation to Owen Lars" thing is a retcon meant to explain all the mentions of Owen in the Expanded Universe. --Ausir 11:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Acting
Just a note of observation. Ewen acts as a young Alec Guiness as the young Kenobi including voice. I rather liked that. Dainamo 01:15, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Age
57 is not really an advanced age.
Homeworld
Where did this information come from about Obi-Wan coming from a planet called Pilegias? Should it stay? I was tempted to delete it immediately. --M412k 02:12, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
- I read about this "Pilegias" in the article about SuperShadow....it's just another lie....obi-wan's homeworld has never been revealed, as far as I know.
So, yes. Feel free to delete it... --PlatinumTracks 10:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't Obi-Wan Kenobi's homeworld be Tatooine? He finds Anakin on Tatooine. He watches over Luke on Tatooine. The Tuskan Raiders are afraid of him on Tatooine. Obi-Wan has a hut on Tatooine. The majoridy of Star Wars show Obi-Wan on Tatooine, therefore my conclusion is his homeworld is Tatooine. With those theories, but no actual quote that Obi-Wan was born there, I can back up that Obi-Wan's homeworld is most likely Tatooine.
The fact that he lived there in his later life doesn't nessesarily mean that that was his homeplanet. - Angel Blue 451 03:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Should Obi-Wan's obvious explorations into the dark side be listed in this article. He draws on the dark side during his duel with Darth Maul as you can tell by his body language. He also acts with some dark side tendencies at other times. (Ep. IV Cantina scene) Maybe he should be listed as a Grey Jedi such as Qui-Gon Jinn?
- Uh...what he did in the cantina wasn't a darkside thing. Cutting off an attacker's limb is considered a Jedi tactic. It disarms (no pun intended) an opponent, but leaves him alive. --Kross 03:42, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Obi-Wan does not ignite lightsaber first
"Interestingly, Kenobi advised Luke in the original trilogy that a Jedi never uses the force for attack, but only for knowledge and defense, yet in both his lightsaber duels with Darth Vader, he ignites his blade first."
This is simply not true. In Episode IV, when he sees Vader, Vader already has his lightsaber ignited. I suggest that this paragraph is either re-worded or removed.
Kenobi in IV does not ignire his lightsaber first. In Revenge of the Sith he does so in defense. After Anakin says, "Don't make me kill you!," I think that's a pretty good hint that Skywalker wants to kill him. Obi-Wan obviously after that quote has learned that saying "Only a Sith deals in absolutes, I will do what I must," meaning he must get rid of this new Sith Padawan in order to defend the peace of the Jedi, this being a defensive quote, therefore he has the right to ignite his lightsaber first, and knows that their conflict will lead to a duel.
May the force be with your wardrobe, Obi-Wan!
Kenobi's original brown robe found. It is on show at the Harrods in London. See: http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=250161&area=/breaking_news/other_news/
Paragraph: is it needed?
At Chancellor Palpatine's urging, Skywalker was accepted by the Jedi Council—but denied the rank of Jedi Master. The Council then unintentionally made things worse by asking Skywalker, already angered by the perceived snub, to spy on Palpatine, whom he considered a friend and mentor. Already alienated from his teacher, Skywalker became more and more influenced by Palpatine, who told him the dark side of the Force held great power that the Jedi envied. He also manipulated Skywalker into believing that the dark side of the Force was the only way he could save Padmé (now his wife and pregnant) from dying in childbirth. Skywalker discovered the Chancellor was in fact the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, and alerted Windu to arrest him. During a heated lightsaber duel between Windu and Palpatine, however, Skywalker panicked at the thought that his only hope of saving his wife and child would die with Palpatine, and cut Windu's hand off, allowing Palpatine to kill him with Force lightning. Skywalker then betrayed the Jedi and became Palpatine's apprentice: Darth Vader.
This pragraph does not mention Obi-Wan once, so i remove it from the article. Plough talk to me 02:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, but it sets the situation as to what was going on around Obi-Wan. The Wookieepedian 07:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- It's really not important enough to Obi-Wan's character to mention here. This article is long enough as it is, and we ought to be concentrating on making it more concise, not filling it with fluff. The paragraph would be fine in, say, the Anakin Skywalker article, but it has NOTHING to do with Obi-Wan at all.--chris.lawson 17:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
"Hello, there!"
I remember that in Episodes III and IV, but in one part it says that it was also from Episode I. I was about to add TPM when I realized that I don't remember the scene. Did he use that line two or three times? Mithridates 19:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Spoiler?
Doesn't writing "postmorteum" in Episodes V and VI spoil the fact that Kneboi dies in Episode IV? Hbdragon88 05:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Uh, looks like we have a spoiler warning right up there near the ToC. (I'm about to move it under the ToC; it shouldn't be above it.) Is that insufficient?--chris.lawson 06:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
The Reason
Even though there is no official explanation as to why R2-D2 kept silent about Vader's true identity, there is little concrete evidence in any of the films to support this theory.
Why neither R2 nor C3PO said anything about Vader's past? Because in the end of Ep. III, they had their memories wiped out, in Organa's spaceship. IIRC, it is Organa himself who orders them to be "erased".