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Needs updating it say will will be in 2006 and attempt again in May in Germany which failed at 240 MPH Uber555 03:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is basically about one thing. The effort SSC is making to create the car that will go faster than the Veyron.

It's tongue in cheek promotion and exagerates the importance of this car in automotive history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.41.244.210 (talk) 19:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite curious, it looks like a Lamborghini Diablo replica kit car, with Ford Focus (?) headlights. 60.50.48.148 17:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, let's see what it can do in Germany on VW's five mile straight. Beat the Bugatti on its home turf. Since it is a German Car underneath it all.Titmanisdaman 20:10, 19 December 2007

The SSC Aero Has NOT Been Verified As World's Fastest Production Cars

Please read the entire article you referenced for 'world's fastest production car' before you post the SSC as such next time, even in the article it states "The data, collected by Dewetron's world-renowned GPS tracking system, will be verified by Guinness before the Ultimate Aero is officially crowned the "World's Fastest Production Car."" Therefore I have removed the reference, for now. There are also questions about whether or not the SSC Aero qualifies as a "production car" based on claims that the car is A) not street legal, and B) has few if any units sold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RTShadow (talk • contribs) 23:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most Supercar manufacturers, who's cars could beat this, do not put their cars forward for testing because their cars are almost always customised for each customer, and so do not qualify (have SCC ever sold the unmodified base model as tested?), and many of them do not even advertise a top speed because it is irrelevant to the people who they sell them to, since it is unlikely in the extreme that they will ever be able to achieve that speed, since they do not have access to required very long track, real-world track performance is much more important (acceleration, handling, breaking, etc.) rather than raw speed, what this means is that this car is only the fastest that has been tested, not that it is really the fastest .... ^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 13:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's official! SSC Aero is the fastest!

It is oct. 11, and Guinness has made it official. It is the fastest. In regards to that, I think the article needs a bit of cleaning, especially in the 'Speed Attempt' section. So much for my Bugatti fanboyism :)

For the sake of fairness, keep in mind that Veyron does go as fast as 407.6 kmph, not 378 kmph as stated in the article. I have just witnessed this with my eyes. Also, how reliable are data produced by the car manufacturer? Isn't it supposed to be INDEPENDENT testing?

As of "Bugatti fanboyism", the cars are incomperable. Speed record version of Aero is nothing but a stripped production version, aimed at one and only goal - prove American muscle once again. I have not seen them stripping anything off Veyron to go for 407 kmph. All the luxury was stil there. Oranges and apples, oranges and apples.76.104.253.138 (talk) 01:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Production version of the SSC Ultimate Aero TT will not do this speed, only the speed attempt stripped version, they are only producing 25 of them (and most will not be the Ultimate TT) is this really a "production car"? The Bugatti Veyron will do this speed and has been shown to repeatably (Top Gear Showed this on Camera) on available fuel (not specialist 91-octane fuel used in the SSC) and they have already made 132+... Also is it really "Road Legal" a large chunk of the weight of the Veyron and the Koenigsegg CCR are engine (obviously), and safety systems to make it road legal and drivable....? I Notice the Guinness Certificate notes the speed (which I don't dispute) but does not mention a specific record? The Thrust SSC can go faster but is not road legal, or easy to drive...? ^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 14:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spec Version that did the test : 2006 Number sold : 0

Current and 2007 spec is heavier and so is unproven to do this speed ... ^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 11:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The SSC Ultimate Aero is not proven to have achived such speed. That is still to be seen by everyone. The Guinness World Record certificate does no make it true. What would make it true is a test under credible scrutiny, with reputable experts, caught on a camera for everyone to see. Everyone say the F1... Everyone saw the CCR... Everyone saw the Veyron... But noone has seen the SSC Ultimate Aero reach the claimed top speed. Until then, it's bullshit.

Units

Shouldn't this article be in US Standard units with the metric units in parentheses as the car is American made? --134.173.56.209 (talk) 08:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should be. I've done this for the 2006 car section, but it takes a lot of time. Feel free to help! I've cited a wayback cached source for most of the information in that section, which isn't reeeeeally what I would like to do, but the current SSC homepage does only cover the 2007 car. TNC (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

bugatti have no problemos with putting there car on a streight (NO MODIFICATION!) and it'll hit its top speed! the aero is a dif matter, it takes time, and its only happened a few times, plus u saw it with your own eyes?, its a fact that no one has actully been in the car whilst its been doing the speed runs (inderpentdant ajudicators!), to be honest, they have paid guinesse wold of record some money so there's can be the fastest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.180.53 (talk) 19:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting Values

I don't know much about cars but it seems to me that '6.2-litre (387.4 cu. in.)' and '6.35-litre (387.2 cu. in.)' are conflicting values. As 6.35 litres is greater than 6.2 litres, the cu. in. values should represent that. However, the second cu. in. value is lower than the first. Any explanation/thoughts? PookeyMaster (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The official site references 4.125" x 3.620" which is indeed 6.35 litres or 387.24 cu in. However, the site (and this page by citation) also quotes impossible torque and gearing figures -- if the car is producing 1094 ft lbs of torque at 6150 rpm, it is producing 1281 hp at that same speed! Going from the 1183 hp figure, the engine is producing 893 ft lbs at 6950 rpm, so a peak of 920-950 at 6150 rpm would be most likely. And on the gearing: the site's 0.6452/3.44 gearing and 335/30ZR20 tyres would produce a top speed of 218mph at 7200 rpm. A final drive of around 2.7 would produce the speeds the car is reputed to make. The numbers they quote (0.357 cd, 1183hp, etc) would produce a car which is technically capable of the 273mph they talk about a lot. Whether or not the numbers are accurate is up to them. TNC (talk) 23:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's entirely up to them: we shouldn't be quoting the figures if the only source is biased (nor just quote car magazines that, for their part, are just repeating the figures Shelby gives them). You're right, some of those numbers are patent nonsense. Also, the conflict PookeyMaster notes regarding the displacement is real,, and we should address it in some way. If anyone cares about this car, how about trying to find a reputable source for engine size, in cu. in. or liters? atakdoug (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Street Legality

The only place in this article that it is mentioned that the car is street legal, is in the category box thingy at the bottom.

Is the car street legal? Is this verified? MSNBC thinks it is, but I'm not convinced.

Why were the fuel efficiency stats removed?

Someone re-add them. They are useful pieces of information. Malamockq (talk) 01:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speed Record

"The first run clocked 257.41 mph (414.26 km/h) and the return trip 254.88 mph (410.19 km/h), with the average beating the Bugatti Veyron's speed by 235 mph (378.2 km/h). The results of this test, verified by Guinness World Records on October 9, 2007, gave the SSC Ultimate Aero the title of world's fastest production car."

Not sure what that's supposed to say but it's wrong. 98.223.170.167 (talk) 00:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless I'm doing the math wrong, the average of 257.41 and 254.88 is not 257.15 Barhamd (talk) 08:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Guinness World Records are not a credible entity. The car still hasn't been tested under a credible scrutiny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.181.133 (talk) 11:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright?????

Large sections of this article are copied verbatim fromt eh companies website. Unless there is some justification for this this article is a copyright violation and should be put up for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.183.146 (talk) 01:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Due to this being a small car manufacturer with a very limited dealership (Only one listed?) there are very few sources... but verbatim copying is bad especially without independent references ....^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 13:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mid-engine is not verified?

That's silly. Not only is it obviously mid engined just by looking at it, but it's also clearly listed as such on SSC's own page here:

http://www.shelbysupercars.com/car-specs.php

Don't see why something that obvious needs a citation, but it is verifiable if necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.220.112 (talk) 06:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No longer incumbent? Not verified!

The Weber F1 only claims to be faster than the Ultimate Aero. This fact has not been officially recorded. The status should remain incumbent until such time that it is officially not. If we go by claimed top speed, then the Aero should be fastest with an estimated top speed of 434 km/h. As far as I'm concerned, the only supercar to ever reach its estimated top speed is the Bugatti Veyron, and that car costs the company 2 million pounds. Anybody? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinfulparade (talk • contribs) 08:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Weber F1

Somebody needs to stop people from posting the Weber F1 as being the fastest street-legal car in the world. This fact has not been verified. And where did the 2009 specs go?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinfulparade (talk • contribs) 07:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The SSC Ultimate Aero has also not been verfied to be the fastest production car in the world. A Guinness World Record certificate is not a credible evidence as are not Guinnes rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.183.8 (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images?

Shouldn't we put images in this article? The other super fast cars (McLaren F1, Bugatti Veyron, etc.) have pictures of them. Why not this? It wastes time to look at this then google the images, so we might as well put some here. FstrthnU (talk) 02:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

there have been several attempts at this, but the difficulty is getting hold of a free image, all the ones attempted so far are from commercial sources, with attached copyright (a no go on Wikipedia) ^{lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ} 13:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of claimed performance

We already seen cars like the Bugatti Veyron and the Ferrari FXX (so exclusive this last one, that Ferrari doesn't give it to you, even if you buy it!!), on TV programs like BBC's Topgear...

What I ask is this... Why don't the people responsible by the conception of the SSC Ultimate Aero, loan one of those cars to a reputable TV motor show like the mentioned "Topgear"?

If everyone is so sure that thge car is that fast, what is keeping you? Face it... Until it gets done, more and more people will question the claimed top speed. As far as I'm concerned, a Guinness World Records certificate isn't a credible evidence. You can buy everything these days with the right amount of cash.