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--Christine (talk) 17:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I appreciate very much your editing. It certainly had some typos I wasn't aware of. Thanks. --Agcala (talk) 18:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to take a look...

Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Objection to this. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 15:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strange series of changes to IBM Selectric?

(Move log); 14:02:10 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) moved Talk:IBM Golfball typewriter to Talk:IBM Selectric typewriter/Archive 1 (move to archive) (Deletion log); 14:01:08 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) restored "IBM Golfball typewriter" (2 revisions restored: restore other edits) (Move log); 14:00:53 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) moved IBM Golfball typewriter to IBM Selectric typewriter over redirect (revert) (Deletion log); 14:00:38 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) restored "IBM Golfball typewriter" (2 revisions restored: history merge) (Move log); 13:59:58 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) moved IBM Selectric typewriter to IBM Golfball typewriter (history merge) (Deletion log); 13:59:57 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) deleted "IBM Golfball typewriter" (G6: Deleted to make way for move) (Deletion log); 13:59:21 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) restored "IBM Selectric typewriter" (297 revisions restored) (Deletion log); 13:58:44 . . Graham87 (talk | contribs) deleted "IBM Selectric typewriter" (prepare for history merge)

I am an infrequent WP editor, not very familiar with the more subtle points of moves and redirects. Can you help me to understand the reason for, and the net effect of, this strange-appearing series of deletes, undeletes, merges, etc.? Jeh (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a history merge on the page so that all the edits to the article are in one place. It makes it easier to tell who wrote what. I moved the old talk page to an archive to make it easily accessible. Graham87 00:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's pretty darned amazing. Never seen that before. Thanks for the explanation and the work! Jeh (talk) 07:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ERA name changes

Why did change the name of Equal Rights Amendment and then change it back? SMP0328. (talk) 03:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a history merge on the page to fix an old cut-and-paste move. Graham87 03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Columbine High School massacre

Just out of curiosity, were the moves to this article to remove the WP:BLP violations that I reverted a few days ago? Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ack! I'm an idiot, that removal was this one to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. No wonder I didn't see it in the history! Sorry to bother you! Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

patriarca crime family

  GRAHAM87,

  UPDATED THE PATRIARCA CRIME FAMILY PAGE AND KEEPS BEING DELETED BY YOU. UNDERSTAND I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY AND ALL MY INFO IS FACTUAL. PLEASE STOP DELETING INFO. MY UPDATES ARE BASED ON PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME MEMBERS.

  REGARDS,

  Gmgman37 (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Putin on left

That is clear reasoning. Us people who see are lazy and don't bother to think things out. Shows that I didn't really look at the picture very closely at all. I would like to know how you manage to do all that you do with a text reader and a voice synthesizer. I have been on Wikipedia over three years and can barely keep track of anything, certainly not at the level you do. I think your input is extremely useful and would like to hear more of what you think. Your views enlarge my vision of the world and make me think. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 00:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blonde

What is your concept of "white" as a color? Or of "black"? White is define as all colors, but it looks visually like no color. Black is defined as no color, but it looks like all colors mixed together. Blonde hair color has almost no color pigments (unless it has be dyed to be very bright), so it is near white in appearance. And other features characterize a naturally blonde person, like skin very susceptible to sunburn (because of little pigmentation), blue eyes (that are more susceptible to the sun), and certain facial and bodily characteristics, since natural blondes arose from a relatively homogeneous genetic pool (unless they are albinos). Half of my family is entirely Scandinavian, so natural blondes are common in my family. How would you describe the "trunk" of an elephant? I wonder if you have had a chance to feel an elephant with you hands, if that gave you more information? Do you go to zoos and places and feel animals and sense their presence? I imagine you do, as you seem a very curious and information-seeking person. Now that I know how you became blind, I realize that you never did experience sight enough to have memories. But yet you have figured out so much, that you don't see disadvantaged by blindness; rather your experience seems to have been enlarged. Your description of Wikipedia's confusion is my experience also. Maybe JAWS would help me in figuring it all out. However, I sense that learning JAWS would be beyond my technical capabilities. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 14:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on my page, but I don't care whose page we use. I have your page watchlisted (along with 2,000 other pages). —Mattisse (Talk) 15:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Signpost interview

Ragesoss has replied that he thinks it is a good idea. Do you have any ideas for what to include? I was thinking about some of the usability issues (for the enlightenment of others) but also some of your experiences that none of us who are sighted would even think about. Looking at your contributions, I see that you get involved in some intensive stuff, way over my head. I do not even have the capabilities of an administrator. —mattisse (Talk) 18:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt text and HTML lists

Hi Graham.

Thanks for your kind words, but in all fairness I put it neither as eloquently, nor as succinctly, as you just did.

Regarding the lists on my user page, I very much appreciate such feedback! As I think I may have mentioned, knowing just which oddities of various markup constructs in combination with various assistive technology create problems, and which work, is quite hard. Feedback from someone with experience in the area is immeasurably helpful. However, those lists were actually intentional in this case. For structure, I used lists as an alternative to nested sections; since that was what at the time seemed the most logical way to implement it. On the other hand I've never been quite happy with the page as it is. I'm using it as a kind of public todo list combined with my progress on each little project. I'm now rather inclined to move the more personal progress type items somewhere else and leave behind whatever part of it may conceivably be of interest to other editors visiting the page, and then preferably in mostly prose rather than list form. In any case, I'm not quite sure how I want to do it yet, so as a minimal workaround I've simply removed the blank lines between the various lists. I'd much appreciate it if you could give it a quick scan and let me know whether the problem is indeed gone.

PS, feel free to use either talk page at your preference. --Xover (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellany for deletion/User:BlankVerse/TFD

I've blanked User:BlankVerse/TFD and closed Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:BlankVerse/TFD myself. I also left a note on the user's talk page. Can you take a look at it to make sure everything seems ok. This is my first xfd closure and I wanted to make sure everything read about right. -Optigan13 (talk) 05:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Wikipedian

Hello, yes, and thank you. I did notice at the end of the week but haven't been able to pay any attention to it just yet. I was familiar with the previous existence of UseModWiki, but I did not know what it meant to page histories. However, I take the point. I'll put a note on the post and, if I can, write a follow-up based on it. That does throw a wrench into my planned ongoing series... but maybe I can figure it out. (And I'll approve your comment now.) Cheers, WWB (talk) 19:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question about stubs and alt text

I'm through all the stubs that were "vanilla" and now onto the corner cases. There are many that already have a captioned statement, i.e. Template:8bitcomputer-game-stub. I notice in the page source this is passed through as alt text. Is this desirable? More examples below and available on request. –xeno^talk 21:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Absheron-geo-stub has [[Image:Azerbaijan_Template.png|40x30px|Map of Azerbaijan]] (somewhat inaccurate, it is actually a map and flag of combined)
Template:Activision-stub has [[Image:Gamepad.svg|32px|Activision]] (inaccurate alternate description of picture)

$50 follow-up: Is Template:AshlandOH-school-stub a good way to go about doing double images? I think what I've done is suppressed alt text on the first and only noted it on the second. Or would it be preferred to have "Stub icon" twice? –xeno^talk 01:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having the caption used as alt text is fine by me. As for cases where there are two stub icons, use the alt text of "stub icon 1" for the first one and "stub icon 2" for the second one. Graham87 04:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Graham87. The current page source for Template:AshlandOH-school-stub contains:

<a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ohio.svg" class="image" title="Flag of Ohio.svg"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Flag_of_Ohio.svg/20px-Flag_of_Ohio.svg.png" width="20" height="13" /></a> <a href="/wiki/File:School.svg" class="image" title="School.svg"><img alt="Stub icon" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/School.svg/20px-School.svg.png" width="20" height="20" /></a>

The first image is a link (<a href="/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ohio.svg"), and it's alt text is empty (<img alt=""). In this case, a screen reader would read the filename, which is bad.^[1] See also Wikipedia:Alternative text for images#When to specify.

So we need to provide alt text for both icons. Thanks for the good job you are doing, Xeno. :-) Dodoïste (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ "F89: Failure of 2.4.4, 2.4.9 and 4.1.2 due to using null alt on an image where the image is the only content in a link". In WAI 2008b.

No problem... I will go through and clean up the last double images ones and do this [1] on a go-forward. Cheers, –xeno^talk 18:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Going back to the first question, I am still concerned that an unknown number of these alt-texts already being passed through are inaccurate. For example, on Template:Denmark-architect-stub, it is currently using an alt text of "Austria". I can only assume this was leftover from a copy-and-paste job or something. I have a preliminary list of those I've skipped for this reason at User:Xenobot/sandbox#A-C by reason. I'll probably do them separately (or maybe use imagealt= and a maintenance cat) so that they can be reviewed after the fact... Unless either of you think that upon review, that it's best to use the default. –xeno^talk 19:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the Denmark architect one was left over from a cut and paste move, because it said "an Danish architect" before I corrected it. I dunno ... I like the descriptive captions, but it'd be better if every stub template had the same alt text for consistency. So I'd change all the alt text to "stub icon". Graham87 00:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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