Talk:Paul Celan

I believe that the article is much better than what it was. I believe that the quality standard banner may be removed now. Is anyone in agreement? vkxmai 05:23, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a bit more depth to some of the sections. I have several excellent resources for biographical information on Celan (mostly in German, but I can translate) for our "verifiable sources." I will begin incorporating this later. I would like to re-work the section on his poetry into a time-frame set-up, perhaps even addressing his compositions based upon location, such as the importance of the Entstehung of earlier poems like "Nähe der Gräber." vkxmai 23:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've found myself including further treatment of "Todtnauberg" and the Heidegger-Celan meeting in the Heidegger entry. I'm thinking therefore of creating a separate entry for "Todtnauberg" and, for the time being, treating the Heidegger-Celan meeting as context. Objections? Buffyg 09:06, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow you, but if you mean transferring part of the specific material on "Todtnauberg" here to this new article, it's OK for me. The section is a bit unwieldy as it is now. RodC 22:40, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have edited a little bit edited your article on Paul Celan because it has many points in which u almost use anti Romanian propaganda ideas. In the old version it was written "Fascist Romanians came back". Romania was not fascist at that time, because the Legionar Party Rebellion was completely dismanteled in 1940. There was a special Antisemitic policy for Bukovina and Basarabia. It doesn`t make sense why Celan would want to leave Bukovina and live in Bucharest if the Jews there had such a terrible time. They were put at forced labour and at cleaning, moping etc. I think u can check a very nice book, Mihail Sebastian`s Diary, a Jewish writer whose diary has been translated to English recently. Mayuma Mayuma 20:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The section on antisemitism reads like Nazi propaganda. To suggest that antisemitism was born as a result of Jewish retaliation against German atrocities is idiocy bordering on evil. The entire section is rife with grammatical and spelling errors to boot, and should be deleted.

If u claim all Romanians were fascist at the time u are an idiot. Romanian army had nothing to do with German atrocities, there is no Nazi propaganda here but simple truth. They were no invaders, they just returned on a part of Romanian territory that was occupied by Soviet Army in 1940 after the Viena dictatum. Ribbentrop and Molotov cut Poland in two halves and Bukovina had the same fate, the Northern part became Russian and the Southern remain in Romania. Where have u taken your information from? Romanian army had nothing to do with the fact Paul Celan`s parents were taken to a labour camp and died in Muntenia( u used Wallachia). There was no Nazy party at the time it had been already completely wiped out in 1940 after the Iron Guard Rebellion. The Romanian political parties were forbidden by King Carol II who created his own party called "Totul pentru tara". General Ion Antonescu was appointed prime minister without any free elections and the country became a royal dictatorship. General Ion Antonescu himself conducted the massacre against gypsies, Jews and other ethnic groups in Basarabia and Bukovina. He did this because he was allied to German army and it was his own personal decision. No Romanian politician was aware of his plans. He was put on public trial after the war and executed for war crimes he comitted there. Show me one document that attest Celan s parents were arrested by Romanian army, or police and sent to death. It may be possible but I don`t think u have any information. U also stated in your article that a SS commando the Romanian mayor arrested Celan s parents, who told u this? I think if u are not Ukrainian or Russian, u have no anti Romanian bias u would better study Second World History and improve your information. Wikipedia is not a mean of anti Romanian propaganda but an encyclopedia for the general public and u shouldn t use its power to spread lies. Paul Celan came to seek refuge in Romania because here Jews had a special status. For your quite scarce and shattered information there were no Jews deported from Romania to the Polish concentration camp as many Jews were taken there from Germany, Hungary, even from the occupied France. I have typed this text at 3 am in the morning and I am not interested in having an argument with an arrogant guy like u. The typing errors I haven t had enough time to proofread but I will do it perhaps some other time. I bet u have no proof Celan hated Romania, he was quite a good friend of the french romanian philosopher Emil Cioran, he translated many poems from and to Romanian, he welcomed many Romanian writers who travelled to Paris. I think u haven t read even professor Andrei Hoisie- Corbea`s books on the Romanian heritage and roots of Paul Celan. And please sign your messages, if u are a phantom I won t have any connection with u. Mayuma 211.16.104.143 19:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For your relief I have deleted the passage on Antisemitism, it is enogh for me if these explanations will remain here on the talk page. If u don t want to erase them from here as well. Mayuma 211.16.104.143 19:18, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As soon as I have time, I will make some much needed changes to this page. I think the debate has been undermined by incendiary remarks. If you think that Celan's visiting of Heidegger deserves its own page and you can fill it, go for it. --vkxmai 00:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]