Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rusty Baker

Rusty Baker

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Non-notable race car driver. Speedy and Prod declined. Hairhorn (talk) 04:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete I'm having a very hard time finding sources for this article. Notability seems to be asserted in the article, but Google searches aren't really turning up anything for this particular Rusty Baker. There's plenty of coverage of other individuals named Rusty Baker, however. In any case, I'm wondering whether notability might be established from offline sources, since Baker apparently hasn't raced since 2005 – so maybe his prime was back during the 1990s. Anyway, in its present state, this article fails WP:BIO and WP:V, hence my vote for deletion. If anyone can find reliable sources established the subject's notability, I will switch my vote to keep. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added some pertinent information that I have learned Rusty's stepson, Keegan. Some of his statistics are on Bronson Motor Speedway's website. Unfortunatly, the site is currently unaccessable. Once whatever glitch is going on with the site is fixed, I will add all information I can find on their. I will continue to gather more offline information in the meantime in an attempt to make the article more relevant. Unfortunatly, like most successful short track drivers, Rusty's career wins are impossible to count. He did not keep track of every race he won and he gave away most of his trophies in Victory Lane. He now has less than 100 left. Stats that can be tracked, however, are his ASA and Hooters Pro Cup Series races. I will be adding those soon. Online sources are difficult to find, but I will continue searching for more. --Johncoracing48 (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No evidence of notability. Information obtained from non-published sources, such as private communication with his stepson, certainly does not establish notability. Adding more information and statistics about Baker is not the point: the point is to add reliable sources for the information we already have. I have spent some time searching, and can find no evidence at all that Baker comes anywhere near satisfying Wikipedia:Notability (people): in fact I can't find anything about him at all. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As I said before James, the website that has citations about his career is currently unavailable. I said this earlier in my last entry. If you would have read it, you wouldn't have wasted so much time searching for what is not currently their. I suggest you doing so in the future. Anyway, I have been speaking to the USAR Pro Cup Series for an official compilation of his stats in that series. I'm also working on a few other notable sources but I need more time!--Johncoracing48 (talk) 21:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Only one !vote per poster, please. Further remarks should be labelled Comment. Peridon (talk) 22:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment One thing that concerns me is how notable the racing itself was. If that can be shown for the benefit of those of us who think speedway is for motorbikes (and whose only experience of it is patching up kids who've fallen off...), things will have moved on a bit. Reliable sources still need to be posted for Baker's sucess, too. Peridon (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I say we should let this article stand. The gentleman defending this article seems to have a plan for building this article into a respectable article via citations. I have searched for this Bronson Motor Speedway he speaks of and he is right, the website is currently unavailable. I believe that the article should stand. End this discussion and wait for him to produce citations and then reevaluate it's relevance.--Face the ace (talk) 02:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]