Talk:List of Naruto antagonists

Pein's Plan

What chapter does Pein reveal his plans to Hidan? Its the same chapter where Hidan states that he is a new member. Thanks! 68.197.237.248 (talk) 23:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

A separate article for Akatsuki?

I think Akatsuki should have it's own article since it's an entire organization, and should only have a brief mention here and a link to the full article. There it could have a more detailed explanation of it's plans, movements, and history.

WP:NOTE my friend. I thought so too, but there just wasn't enough reception to warrant a single article. Plus, all that plan, movement, histroy, etc... fails WP:NOT#PLOT. Sasuke9031 (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Madara should have his own article as he is the lead villain of the series and the mastermind behind everything that has happened thus far... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.11.54 (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Importance in the series is not a reason to give him an article. Naruto, Sasuke and all the other characters that have an article pass WP:Notability and Madara doesn't.Tintor2 (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Madara 'former' Mizukage?

Under Tobi's section it states he was the former Mizukage, but the SleepyFans scanlation doesn't have the word former (or anything like it) at all. The claim 'former' Mizukage is backed up by the most recent chapter where we see Mizukage as a blonde woman, but most readers can appreciate that that doesn't stand for much as appearances can and have been faked in a number of ways. Frequen-Z (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

"Former" is added for the volume release. ~SnapperTo 21:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see. I also found it rather suspicious since the Mizukage has hidden her right eye so far which is the only one Madara has shown. Ah well. Frequen-Z (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but how is it possible for the mizukage to be there when just a chapter prior, Madara was berating Sasuke? Unless he had some combo of transformation and Instant Transmission, it's just not possible. Sasuke9031 (talk) 01:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Zetsu remarked how fast Tobi could travel just after the Sasuke/Itachi fight. Frequen-Z (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Dude, Madara isn't the current Mizukage. He was Mizukage when Kisame left his village, that much is true. It's more likely that upon taking the role as leader of Akatsuki, he relieved himself of being Mizukage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.159.47 (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

In the newest chapter, the current Mizukage remarked on how the Fourth Mizukage's dark reign is over now. It's likely that she was referring to Madara and he was the Fourth Mizukage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.89.202 (talk) 17:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Speeking of Madara... I never was one of those "Madara = Obito" or "Madara = Danzo" people, but Danzo has just been revealed to have the Sharingan in his right eye. Madara's mask covers his entire face except for his right eye, and they have similar hair styles, wrinkles, and eyebrows (Madara's are seen when he takes his mask off to show Sasuke his Sharingan). I'm not saying it's true, but maybe Danzo's impersonating Madara (who quite possibly did die in the battle with the First, or at any other point) to gain control of everything, or maybe he took one of eyes of an Uchiha member after the massacre. We've never seen Danzo do anything other than boss Sai around and try to become Hokage through illegal means, so it's possible. I dunno what Danzo's Sharingan means, and no-one will until it's revealed in the manga. 75.157.124.3 (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It said in chapter 458 that Yagura (the three-tails host) was the fourth mizukage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.42.39 (talk) 01:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Pain

The six paths of Pain article only mentions five and totally leaves out one of them.

Where is Gaara and the sand?????

What a glaring omission. Yeah I know they are no longer antagonists but Gaara was arguably the second biggest antagonist of the first half of the series (next to orochimaru). I think Gaara was even mentioned specifically by Kishimoto as an antagonist designed to be opposed to Naruto Just because he became a protagonist later doesn't mean he shouldn't be included, as both Zabuza/Haku and Pain evolved to become good characters too. Just make a note that it was the pretimeskip Gaara that was an antagonist, and not after his battle with Naruto and all will be well. Surcer (talk) 02:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Madara's Master Plan

Madara's come out. He's just revealed what his master plans, and I think that that requires a complete overhall of 1/2, if not all, the Naruto section to incorperate this (what with the 10-Tailed Beast, the Moon's Eye Plan, etc.), and nominate Mr. Uchiha for his own page. 75.157.107.206 (talk) 07:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Not knowing his plan I can't comment on most of the overhall idea but I can say that giving Madara his own page is unlikely. The problem is that the main thing we need is not plot imporatnce but sources that cover his creation and concept and most importantally critical reception of the character. Without that any article created would likely be merged back quickly.--76.66.188.203 (talk) 06:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)