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Reverted edit on Sex-negativity page

Shi-tan: The edit was needed as the page misquoted Plato. It is in another article here where his actual mening is clarified rather than spun. Also I replaced an accurate quote based on unsupported claims with actual data proving that said claim was false.

"Some proponents of sex-positivity claim that under the Western, Christian tradition, sex is seen as a destructive force except when it is redeemed by the saving grace of procreation, and sexual pleasure is seen as sinful. Sexual acts are ranked hierarchically, with procreative marital heterosexuality at the top of the hierarchy and masturbation, homosexuality and other sexualities that deviate from societal norms closer to the bottom. Medicine and psychiatry are said to have also contributed to sex-negativity, as they may, from time to time, designate some forms of sexuality that appear on the bottom of this hierarchy as being pathological (see Mental illness).[1] However, Western societies which predate Christian influence, such as ancient Greece, have often endorsed forms of sexuality that strongly conflict with Christian beliefs. For instance, Plato, certainly not the most libertine of the Greek writers, supports homosexuality:

Let no one whom he [a soldier] has a mind to kiss refuse to be kissed by him while the expedition lasts. So that if there be a lover in the army, whether his love be youth or maiden, he may be more eager to win the prize of valour.[2] Bold text This quote was about romantic friendship between men, there was no sexual dimension in this example. This quote being here spins it so that people unfamilliar with Plato get the wrong idea!

An emerging chorus of voices from sex-positive theorists who are people of color has provided an important contribution to the movement, giving substance to the power analysis of sex-positivity at the intersection of race/culture, gender, sexuality, class, nationality, and spirituality. Farajaje-Jones (2000) highlighted the connection between white supremacist ideology and what he termed "erotophobia" saying:

The fear of the erotic and of its power, has therefore played a powerful role in shaping institutionalized White supremacy's vision of what it means to be African, to be Black. African is wild, hot, savage, beastlike, libidinal, primal; in short, the African is the very embodiment of all that the dominating culture sees as evil and in need of being policed and controlled. (p.331)[3]" Bold text Right quote, but worng premise as historically being white was never equated with purity, but rather compared and contrasted to their decadent Greco-Roman ancestors known for debauchery. Also, I have a link that proves that so-called civilized man is actually more perverse than less civiziled societies.

Incorrect quotes listed above!

Link: http://antisex.info/en/go.htm (scroll down for stats)

I will just put it here: Dr. Shelton writes:

"No function is so exhausting to the whole system as this. If excessively indulged in, no practice can possibly be so enervating. J. Bradford Sax probably over estimates the amount of energy consumed in coition when he says, "Probably more of the nervous fluid or influence is expended in a single sexual crisis than would suffice to carry on all the vital operations, perhaps for a day. At any rate the energy expended is very considerable and if the act is indulged in daily, or even weekly, the indulgent individual need not hope for health and strength.

"What constitutes excess? The reply has been given: Anything is excess when procreation is not the end. Man is sexually perverted. He is the only animal that has his `social problem,' the only animal that supports prostitution, the only animal that practices self-abuse, the only animal that is demoralized by all forms of sexual perversions, the only animal whose male will attack the females, the only animal where the desire of the female is not the law, the only one that does not exercise his sexual powers in harmony with their primitive constitution."

"Who can say," interrogates Dr. Dixon, "that these excesses are not often followed by direful diseases, insanity and consumption? The records of our madhouses, and the melancholy deaths by consumption, of the newly married, bear ample witness to the truth of this assertion. Are they not transmitted to posterity? Look at the frequent mental imbecility, and the pallid hue, and attenuated form of the children who are the earlier products of marriage, and see the parents vibrating between life and the grave, until the candid physician, or the terrors of death teach them to abstain."

Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.

Among the Andamenese, Portman says that sex desire is moderate in males, it does not appear before the age of eighteen, and is rarely gratified until marriage when a man is 26. According to Haydes and Deniker, among the Fuegians, both men and women are extremely moderate in sexual indulgence. In the case of the Esquimaux, Cook notes that the sexual passions do not manifest during the long darkness of winter, and the menstrual function does not either; the majority of the children are born nine months after the appearance of the sun. On the basis of such observation Havelock Ellis concludes that the sex instinct of primitive peoples is less intense and manifests more infrequently than that of civilized man; moreover it tends to manifest at certain mating seasons and to find expression chiefly in reproduction.

Animals, like men, become perverted sexually and victims of an exaggerated sexual urge when they are subjected to artificial feeding and confinement. Thus apes, when confined to a cage and fed on meat and other sexually stimulating food, while previously gentle and tame on a fruit diet, become extremely licentious and vicious. Then they masturbate excessively and have intercourse daily, while the female consequently menstruates as freely as a woman. (Other female mammals leading more natural lives do not menstruate, though under domestication and excessive feeding, cows and other species do.)

Holder finds that the Indians of America were originally far less salacious than either the white or the negro races that later came to this continent. Dr. Beard notes that Indian boys do not masturbate and young men remain chaste until marriage, conditions which we do not find among so-called civilized races. Spencer, who studied California Indians, remarks that after the appearance of menstruation, a girl is never allowed in the company of the opposite sex until her marriage, and that during pregnancy and lactation there is strict chastity. Nor is coitus permitted after feasts of meat, when there is a state of sexual super-excitation. Ordinarily the men and boys sleep in a separate dormitory. Spencer remarks that an intelligent Indian of his acquaintance on his death-bed confessed a sin that had grievously burdened his conscience. "He had cohabited with his wife after a big dinner of fresh beef, and felt the remorse of unpardoned guilt upon his soul."

Chastity before marriage is the rule in many parts of Africa. In some parts of West Africa a girl guilty of unchastity is severely punished. Among the Ba Henda of North Transvaal, no sexual intercourse before marriage is allowed, and if it is seen that a girl's labia are apart when she sits down on a stone she in punished as guilty of having had intercourse. Among the Syntengs, the husband does not live in the same house with his wife, but only visits her occasionally in her mother's house where she continues to live. Smyth remarks that promiscuous intercourse between the sexes is not practiced by the Australian aborigines, and their laws on the subject are strict. No conversation is permitted between single men and girls or married women. Infractions of these laws are sometimes punished by death. Among the Seri, the young man is compelled to pass a probationary period of continence for one year prior to marriage as a test of his ability of sexual self-control. Among the Pueblos, the morals of the young are supervised by a secret police which reports all irregularities, in which case the young man and girl are compelled to marry. In Uganda, continence is practiced for two years after childbirth, and among the Fijians, husband and wife live apart three or four years, so that no other babe may interfere with the time thought necessary for nursing children. Concerning the people of the Malay Peninsula, Stevens writes: "The sexual impulse among the Belendas is developed to a slight extent; they are not sexual... There is little or no love-play in sexual relations." Among the Malays, strict chastity is maintained during war time. According to Havelock Ellis, the negro races of Africa are less lascivious than white men. He writes: "Among the Cambodians, strict chastity seems to prevail, and if we cross the Himalayas to the north we find ourselves among wild peoples to whom sexual license was unknown. Thus, among the Turcomians, even a few days after the marriage has been celebrated, the couple are separated for an entire year."

Westmarck states that the more that civilization advances the greater the number of illegitimate births and the greater the prevalence of prostitution. These are greater in towns than in the country. He claims that promiscuity is not the original and natural state of man, but is a product of civilization, or rather pseudo-civilization. The customs of primitive races are comparatively chaste. Westermarck writes:

"Among a great number of simple peoples, monogamy requires of a man continence for periods of considerable length. He has to abstain from his wife not only for a certain time each month, but during pregnancy or at least during the later stage of it, since pregnant woman is regarded as unclean, and after childbirth until the child is weaned; and the latter injection is the more severe as the suckling time lasts for two or three and occasionally even five or six years."

The ancient Spartans represent a race in which a high level of sex morality existed, and who were noted for their chastity. The sexes lived apart, even after marriage, the men sleeping together in one dormitory and the women in another. After the act of conception, which followed marriage, Plutarch, in his life of Lycurgus, states that the man "modestly retired to his companions, and reposing with them at night, nor even visiting his bride but with great caution and apprehension of being discovered by the rest of the family. Some of them even had children before they had an interview with their wives in the day time. This kind of commerce not only exercised their temperance and chastity, but kept their bodies fruitful, and the first ardor of their love free and unabated; for they were not satiated like those that are always with their wives."

To achieve the chastity which he considered essential for the preservation of the vigor of the Spartan race, Lycurgus, the law-giver of Sparta, forbade the consumption of meats and other stimulating foods, and enforced a vegetarian diet. Alcoholics were also prohibited. He forbade eating at home, and had the Spartans eat at collective public tables; and by thus controlling their diet, he was able to control their morality. He forbade his people "to call in the assistance of butchers and cooks, or to fatten like voracious animals in private. For so not only their manners would be corrupted but their bodies disordered, and abandoned to all manner of sensuality and dissoluteness; and they would require long hours of sleep."

In Sparta, a matriarchate in which women had great power, the boys were brought up to be chaste. Xenophon tells us that it is easier to make a pillar of stone or a marble statue move its eyes than a Spartan boy. The boys, he said, were more bashful than the girls. A woman of another country said to a Spartan woman, "You of Lacedoemon are the only women in the world that rue the men." She answered, "We are the only women that bring forth men." The bravery and physical perfection of the Spartan race made them famous throughout the ages.

If you want sex-positive cunterpoints quote people when they get their bloody facts straight!

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About the Wiki Game article

Thanks for clearing up that mess. When I made my edit, I was trying to revert the vandalism, and then I realized what I just did. So, I was trying to fix the article, and then you came and fixed it better than I ever could. Thanks, Pi zza314159. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pi zza314159 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Still Confused

I noticed you undid my changes to the Aston Somerville page.

I understand about the attempt to external link to the photo of the church - sorry, I didn't realize that wasn't possible.

I'm nore confused by the heading thing? What was wrong with them? I thought they made things much clearer and formed an embryonic structure for future edits. (now a bot has done the same thing)

Can you take a look at the following edit of the Aston Somerville page and tell me why the bot would have changed it??? 21:58, 25 November 2009 90.216.124.245 (talk) (40,658 bytes) (undo)

90.216.124.245 (talk) 22:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The bot in question reverts link additions by new and unregistered users to certain sites like imageshack. It's an anti-spam measure, but I see that you weren't spamming - no worries, it's just automated. Falcon8765 (talk) 22:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Personal attacks

How is "You are not helping this website to grow, you are just commiting sabotage to wikipedia" not a personal attack? Eeekster (talk) 23:10, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Sounds more like a new user getting frustrated. Remember not to bite. Falcon8765 (talk) 23:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he's a new user. Just a sockpuppet. Eeekster (talk) 23:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I see what you're talking about now. Falcon8765 (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I find the no edits other than to my talk page to be a bit suspicious. Eeekster (talk) 23:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't think it looks like a case of malicious sockpuppetry - more like an IP who registered after a few edits. Falcon8765 (talk) 23:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

User page

Hi there. I removed some obvious vandalism on your userpage, but I'm not sure what's yours and what's not. Sorry in advance if I've removed anything that was yours. Tom :) A8UDI 23:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, missed it. Falcon8765 (talk) 23:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Reversion?

Little fast on the trigger there. What's with your reversion of my message? 173.170.157.188 (talk) 04:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Didn't see a reason for it. Falcon8765 (talk) 04:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You delete messages from other people's talk pages if you don't see a reason for them? 173.170.157.188 (talk) 04:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

When they are flagged by Huggle and appear to be vandalism, yes. Falcon8765 (talk) 04:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

What about my message made it appear to be vandalism? Don't let computers do your thinking for you. 173.170.157.188 (talk) 04:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any obvious reason for the warning, and IPs often copy paste warnings to talk pages as vandalism. You've readded it, so it doesn't particularly matter. Falcon8765 (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

A) What warning? B) It looks like you used Twinkle, not Huggle. C) Just be more careful, OK? 173.170.157.188 (talk) 04:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

This edit - The text is included in the BLP warning templates, so without any apparent source to be warned for, I reverted it. Falcon8765 (talk) 04:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

What BLP warning template is it included in? It isn't a warning. "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful." How is that a warning? 173.170.157.188 (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I was mistaken that it was vandalism apparantly, so I apologize. No harm no foul. Falcon8765 (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2009 (UTC)