Talk:Mark Hoffman

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Too much original research

I don't think this article's existence is justifiable at this stage in time. There are no citations at all, and too much original research. If no citations are provided, this article should be deleted. 123.3.138.114 (talk) 14:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added more citations and there is much more info than just the plots of the films he is in. Firstly, there is his modus operandi, then his significance and relationship to Jigsaw. Finally, the plt sections are all focused in on the parts containing him and have more insight than would be policy for the film article plot sections. Good article, worth keeping. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still lacking and needs much improvement. The characterization and symbolic representations sections are all comprised entirely of original research. The Costas Mandylor section quotes the actor, yet it does not offer a source for that quote. Source needed on that quote. The claim that there are more citations now? I see only one. A good start, but this article needs much work. 124.176.63.153 (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coat

I think it should be noted that Hoffman wore a black coat to symbolize Jigsaw's robe at various parts of Saw V. 71.17.12.142 (talk) 07:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) 20:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hoffman's current status

Call this a bunch of speculation but has it in any shape or form been confirmed that Hoffman is still alive? I know that he got out of the little Reverse Beartrap 2.0 thing but that left little to no closure as to whether he survived or not. Becoming crippled, his jaw split and massively bleeding, this might be another case of the same way Rigg died since he wasn't confirmed dead until Saw V, after he was left. If you ask me I think the status should be changed to "Unknown (Crippled/Injured)" Carbo45 (talk) 11:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well Rigg was shot in the stomach and was bleeding quite badly. Hoffman has some of his face ripped off, and is also bleeding, but doesn't look quite as bad. Costas also said in an interview that they shot multiple endings, one with him alive and one with him dying. I think they went with the one that he survives at the end, therefore that suggests he is alive, but no -- it doesn't prove it. What does anyone else think? --Micwa (talk) 14:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Status is unknown. Sorry, that's how the movie ended, it was not shown if he survived or not. If he is shown alive and well in VII then you can change the status to 'Alive' THEN. But until then, objectively, 'unknown' fits best. 202.168.104.9 (talk) 16:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes sir! :-) --Micwa (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will he still be able to talk? Anonymus, 10th November 2009 17:42 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.193.44 (talk) 17:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe! Anyway, listing his status as unknown is just stupid. Nothing suggests that he died. Some of his face was just ripped off. I'll honor the consensus but when Hoffman shows up alive in Saw VII, you are going to look stupid.

It's not about looking stupid. It's about providing facts from reliable sources. Just because he will be in Saw VII does not mean he will be ALIVE -- I mean half of his jaw was removed... who's going fix that? Dr. Gordon? Costas also commented that they shot different endings, one with him dying and the one with him not. When and if Hoffman shows up alive, then it will be changed, until then, stick to your Saw conspiracy theory forums, this is not the place. Thank you. --Mike Allen ^{talk · contribs} 23:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy theory forums? Grow up and learn to accept criticism, kid. I'm not a member of any forum. One minute, you think Hoffman is alive and the next, you think that he is dead. I don't believe that Gordon survived. He sawed off his foot. There is NOTHING that suggests Hoffman is dead. When he shows up alive, you will also look stupid. Thank you and have a good day.

You just don't GET IT, do you? It doesn't matter what anyone THINKS, that's not important. What's important is that it is verifiable with reliable sources. He probably will be alive... but there's no proof to back that up. For all we know is he could die between movies, like Rigg did. Calm down and read Wikipedia policy, it's not the end of the world.. yet. --Mike Allen ^{talk · contribs} 18:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The most recent reliable source, Saw VI, showed him alive. A person can't scream if they're dead. As of the most recent reliable source, he is alive. So if we are going by most only what is in reliable sources, then he should be listed as alive. It is speculative to suggest he died as there is nothing showing him dead. He could be dead, but that's just our speculating, not a reliable source. 66.65.74.35 (talk) 01:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]