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Welcome!

Hello, Zello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, please be sure to sign your name on Talk and vote pages using four tildes (~~~~) to produce your name and the current date, or three tildes (~~~) for just your name. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! KissL 10:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Hungary

Don't be discouraged when your edits get reverted. Although this is not the general nature of Wikipedia, it happens fairly often when you touch sensitive topics (which is pretty commonplace with us Hungarians and history, unfortunately). I think your edits were good, though not perfect, so keep up the work.

Just to emphasise part of the welcome message above: you can sign your name and the date using four tildes (~~~~), and this is required for all Talk pages (not the articles, naturally). I admit that the introduction links are quite numerous, but it's really worth reading through most of them before you seriously start editing stuff here.

Also, while I'm sure we could talk in Hungarian, we shouldn't: these pages are kind of public, so everyone is supposed to understand us. Of course, you can visit my user space and send me an email using the "E-mail this user" link if you want.

Have a nice time here :)

KissL 10:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Do you understand German, Zello?Juro 20:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I read. Zello 21:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Then you will find the information in the Bratislava article on the German wikipedia. I only add, that in the meantime I have found new information, so that the part saying that the name was not used in the late 19th century is not quite correct, there was for example a students association in Bratislava, in the name of which the form "Břetislava" was used. But such usage seems to be rather an exception. As for your question whether "Prešporok" was used after 1919, no it definitely was not, since the official name was Bratislava (also used officially in official Hungarian and German announcements at that time etc.), I cannot exclude however, of course, that some older people did not use it at home etc. for some years. Juro 00:50, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you it's really interesting. Thank for God that not Wilsonovo mesto was chosen :) Zello 16:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite...Imagine what an attraction it would be today for tourists and investors if they were to visit or invest in "Wilson City" in the middle of Europe...:))) Juro 17:13, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tovarisevo

Thank you for translating it, some unexpected events robbed me of most of the free time in which I was supposed to do that task . Dunemaire 06:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User categorization

Hi! You can add yourself to the Category:Wikipedians in Hungary if you want to. Btw, are you registered at HuWiki too? :) regards, Alensha 22:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx! No, I'm not. Zello 22:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

History

Hi, Hungarian history is not my favorite topic, but maybe I could be of some assistance. I'm mostly interested in WW2 and to some extent WW1. Cheers, nyenyec ☎ 06:37, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Zello! Csak azért is magyarul, hogy az idetévedő külhoniak ne értsék :). Szóval érdekel a dolog, de elég ritkán jövök fel az angol wikire. Örömmel segítek bármiben, jómagam is történelemtanári pályára készülök. A magyar wikin ugyanez a felhasználónevem, ha valamiben kell segítség, szólj csak az ottani vitalapomon.

Horthynál itt elég nagy harcok mentek, abban már igyekeztem részt venni (alapvetően Budapest román megszállásának "negatív színben való feltüntetése" miatt panaszkodtak. Azaz azért, mert bele mertük írni, hogy fosztogattak, raboltak, és mellesleg ők voltak a támadók.).

Egyébként ha fáradhatatlan harcost keresel, ajánlom Gubb felkeresését... Ugyan matektanár, de nem látszik rajta annyira :D.--Mathae 14:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Szia! Ha ez valami összeesküvés-féle, akkor én is magyarul írok :-) A 20. századi történelem annyira nem a szakterületem, de próbálom majd rajta tartani a szemem a problémás lapokon. Az tényleg baj, hogy túl kevesen vagyunk itt magyarok, többségünk az otthoni wikiben dekkol. A Gubbot én is ajánlom, bár kicsit forrófejű, de ha ő egyszer egy szent ügy szolgálatába áll, arról nem lehet levakarni :D Alensha 14:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sziasztok, írtam neki is, remélem jelentkezik! A levlista azért lenne hasznos, mert így tudnánk róla, hol forrósodik fel éppen a hangulat. Láttam h KissL,Mathae és Gubbubu vívtak egy nagy harcot a Tanácsköztársaság cikknél, közben én is küzdöttem Juróval Dunaszerdahely kapcsán (most éppen a bukovinai székelyeket akarja Bonaparte törölni, összevonásnak álcázva a dolgot), de nem tudtunk egymásról. Ha feliratkoznánk egy levlistára vmelyik sűrűn használt mailcímünkkel, csak fel kéne dobni a cikk a nevét, és akinek éppen van rá ideje és energiája, segíthetne. Én megadtam a saját címemet a user page-en, küldjetek rá lécci egy-egy levelet, h meglegyen az összes cím! Zello 15:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hali! Szerintem használhatod koordinálásra a hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (egyéb) lapot is. Potenciálisan nagyobb közösséget érsz el vele, mint egy olyan listával, amire fel kell iratkozni. -- nyenyec ☎ 00:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Or you can subscribe to wikpedia-hu at yahoogroups.com
One thing I could help with is checking English sources at my local library if needed. -- nyenyec ☎ 00:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I subscribed, it will be OK! Checking English sources will be very useful, thanks a lot! Zello 01:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Collaboration

My short answer: yes, glad to help you! Gubbubu 17:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Egyszóval ha valami baj van, azonnal szólj egyrészt nekem (levelet nem tanácsos küldeni, mert gyakran csak hetenként nézem a mailjeim), a legjobb, ha a magyar Wikipédiabeli vitalapomon. Az ötletedet jónak tartom, már régóta akarunk kollaborálni, de csak most kezdünk hozzá elegen lenni (évekig nagyjából egyedül voltam, fél éve Mathae vagy Alensha néha besegít). A történelem nekem sem igazi szakterületem, sajnos (itt elsősorban az ókori kelethez és a kommunista diktatúrákhoz értek), de tapasztalataim szerint ha egy hülyeségre rászállunk, akkor kb. két-három hónap alatt mégis csak lehet eredményt elérni. A mailcímem gubbubu, kukacjel, és frímél pont hu, azért ha levlistát szervezel a magyarokból, küldj nekem is levelet. Bár az is megoldás, ha a magyar Wikipédia levlistát használjuk e célra (valahol a yahoo oldalán van, ha a magyar wikipédiában - talán a kezdőlapon? - utánanézel, szerintem megtalálod). Gubbubu 17:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Még egy jótanács. Ha vitába kezdesz, ajánlatos valami angol forrást találni, ami támogatja az álláspontodat. Ilyen általában nincs szem előtt (pl. a kommunizmus tekintetétben különösen elavultnak mondható az angol weben található forrásanyag), de ha nagyon-nagyon keres az ember, általában mégis akad. Gubbubu 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fz22 is jelentkezett, vagyunk már négyen-öten. Megpróbálok feliratkozni a magyar wikipédiás levlistára, úgy tűnik az lesz a legpraktikusabb. Zello 19:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am reminding you that some users understand what you write, and that you should write such things in English (you do not have to, but that it shows a lot if you don't). I also remind you that the English wikipedia is an international encyklopedia and not a battlefield. Above all, it does not become a battlefield each time you are in dispute with someone. It is also part of basic decency not to focus on articles in neighbouring countries, with which you have nationally bias problems. And that holds for any topic, where a user could be emotionally non-neutral. For example, none of the neighbouring countries started to edit articles on Hungarian towns and their history until now, and you should appreciate it, because there would be a lot to write. Juro 23:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not interested at all who understands this and who not (and I know you read Hungarian). I wrote in Hungarian because this is a collaboration project for Hungarian contributors in topics important for us. Every group has the right to discuss matters and strengthen partnership. Do the same with Slovak users or Christian users or vegan users or anything you like. As far as you or anybody writes valuable contributions about a town in Hungary with significant Slovak population (for ex. Békéscsaba) or Slovak-connected history I think all of us will be happy for your help. Excluding Hungarian users doing the same with towns in neighbouring countries is in contradiction with the most important policy of Wikipedia ie. representing different point of views. Zello 23:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You should be "interested" that you write in English in the English wikipedia. And I was referring to the initial "reasons" you gave for this whole "project", in which you mention - among other thing - my name. You are exhibiting very indecent behaviour. Juro 00:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't "initial" and "present" intentions. My intentions are clear. As I see Hungarian history in Wikipedia became distorted if we don't play a more active role here. As I see you represent a Slovak point of view. This is not a personal insult or even a fault. Do this at your best, look up datas which are important for you as you did until now, and tolerate when other people do the same. Sometimes we will reach agreements, sometimes not and then the article should represent this disagreement as Wikipedia: Neutral point of view clearly indicates. Collaboration among Hungarians is a useful tool to represent our point of view better. Zello 00:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I spoke about "reasons" given when talking to Gubbubu. And I am NOT representing the Slovaks here, I am just the (absolutely) only person that takes care of Slovakia-related articles. Juro 00:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I said Gubbubu that when he was fighting an edit war on Hungarian Soviet Republic article then I was arguing with you about Dunaszerdahely. And it would be useful to give news about such events to help each other if we have time and energy.

That is exactly what I meant by "not a battlefield".Juro 01:17, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
More people means more good argument and more research and so a better representation of the Hungarian point of view about the given topic. And indeed sometimes wikipedia become a battlefield. Nobody said we should pretend we agree when we don't. There are edit wars, this is natural. Zello 01:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I sympathize you that you are absolutely the only one who takes care of Slovakia-related articles but indeed it is not my fault. Zello 01:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it cool Zello. Don't push it. Start collaborating first. Bonaparte talk 08:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You and your friends are trying to delete an article with a fake merging proposal. Don't preach about collaboration here...Zello 08:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfC

read wp:civility. Bonaparte talk 21:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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