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Hungarian town names

I have seen a movement towards deleting the Hungarian names of the Moldavian town. While I don't care/know about what happens with Piatra Neamt etc., I'd say that early Catholicism is very important in the history of the towns from Siret Valley. If you remove Catholicism, be it Hungarian, German, or Italian, from Roman history, it remains close to nothing.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs)   13:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest Catholic diocese in Moldavia was not "Hungarian": it was the Cumans diocese, established in the 13th century. The Cumans lived across the Southern half of Moldavia, from Comăneşti to Galaţi, Vaslui, Covurlui (all names of Cuman origin).
Well, the common policy is that in the lead section are listed names of significant minorities of the town. If there is/was no such minority in recorded history, but that name is somehow important, it should be written in the history section. bogdan 16:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Then it's the issue of the Hungarian speaking minority living on the Siret Valley. I hope nobody will say that the Hungarian name for Roman is irrelevant, as long as hundreds of Hungarians are living in a range of 10 km, like in the village of Secuieni. It is like pretending that my name is not Hungarian.

There are still thousands of Romanians living within in a range of 15 km of Belgrade. Go and add the Romanian name to that article and see if you can. :-) bogdan 16:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

On the other I hand, I would have to lookup, but I suppose there was / is some Hungarian minority even in Tirgu Neamt / Piatra Neamt, towns where you removed the Hungarian name.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs)   14:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am not aware of such a minority, though I guess that at one point in the past (possibly during the Dark Age), there Hungarians in some of the cities: the names of Bacău and Suceava feel too much like borrowings from Hungarian, judging by the phonetical appearence. I'd better add this on the articles. bogdan 16:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There are a handful of villages where some people still speak Hungarian. I had classmates, whose parents came from such villages and were able to speak Hungarian, I know some people who were children there and still speak Hungarian with their parents. The Catholic Church was really perverted during the Communism, as they (Church & Party) allowed only Romanian mess and used to send only non-Hungarian priests there. Hungarians had to learn Romanian for church and for school, and only countrymen from villages outside main roads still speak Hungarian.
I also got your point about Belgrade, but I hope Romanians and Hungarians are a bit more tolerant and less tensed than Serbs.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs)   21:33, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Drop it Lucica. Igen? Stay away from your pushing POV. Bonaparte talk 11:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I don't speak Hungarian, my people lived for long around Tirgu Neamt, on the Eastern side of the mountains - no igen bashes, OK? Secondly, you should stop seeing malefic plots against Romania. It's not a POV when I say there are Hungarians on the Siret valley and it's not a POV when I say that the Communist (and the Legion) state did everything to change their minds. I remember how the priest who was supposed to teach us about the Catholic Faith had no idea what 'Greek-Catholics' (Eastern Catholics) are. Plus, it's not a POV that their very existence is hidden to the other citizens of Romania.
As of Cuman religious inheritance, it happens that it is highly believe able that the Baia Bishop was acting on this area of the Siret valley, but there are no writings about it acting in Roman. A small town with no current or recent importance (I had an edit war with the supporters of the county-hood), with proud citizens, I'm sure that if we would learn something about documents from Cumans, we will spread it on our monuments and on the Internet ASAP.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs)   13:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me leave my mark on this little page (sorry, Bogdan). Bonaparte, you are wrong and judgemental this time around (I mean that "igen" thing).

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1. I do not think that "Cumans" indicates ethnicity, but is more of a topos. Be that as it may (there really is no point in arguing the existance of national awareness in the 1200s), the Church was likely to include many native Hungarian-speakers (because this is the real category indicated) in its hierarchy (most likely the largest group within the local structure) and the followers in Moldavia. Because the Church was already (and for quite a while), the Catholic one. Consider the Csangos: their identity will eternally float between "being Catholic" and "being Hungarian" - simply because, in medieval Moldavia, the two would usually blend into each other.

At least initally, the "Catholic Cumans" were Cumans. IIRC, the Cuman tribes made an alliance with the Pope against the Byzantines. However, the Episcopate of the Cumans kept its name long after the Cumans were assimilated... bogdan 13:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Towns in Moldavia have Hungarian names from around the time of their origin. Some may even be of Hungarian origin (you do not reject the obvious German connections of the town of... well... Neamţ). Hungarian names are legitimate and should stay.

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3. Wikipedia is the place where we expand and add. It's okay to give the Latin name of some city or town, all over Europe (even though there are no Romans around to inhabit them), but you object to otherwise traditional, old names (which may be the search criteria for some users who need the equivalent of antiquated information: "I've read this transcription, but the translator could not find the modern versions of the place-names etc."). This "vae victis" attitude really has no meaning, Bonaparte.Dahn 12:55, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that you're right Dahn. And certainly your last words "Losers weepers" either. Bonaparte talk 13:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, why am I not right? (Perhaps you might want to take this topic on my talk page, so we do not chew up Bogdan's space.) I think you got me wrong on the vae victis: I meant that this was the nature of your reply. What I meant was that you were dismissive of an attitude, only because Hungarians are no longer present there. Also, you showed that you were ready to engage in a conflict with a person who tried to make a point. The fact that I largely agree with it should point out that the topic is not a "Hungarian" way of thinking (lest I be a betrayer to the cause :) ).Dahn 13:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I've had enough with the plot theory on my hometown page. People claim that Roman county was absorbed by Neamt county, just to change ethnic proportions and to stop Hungarians from ever claiming parts of Neamt county. Well, I think more Hungarians are living in Siret valley than on Bistrita valley and, anyway, there weren't elections and there was no claimant left un-jailed (if there ever was one of them). It comes down to a theory of country salvation, but also a horrible communist act, which is of course funny and unfunded, while reverting is boring. This Hungarian danger attacking Moldova is pretty boring and I hope Bonaparte is not one of those scared by the possibility of a Hungarian Pascani. I will try to revert the Hungarian names and hopefully no war will start, be it an edit war or a Hungarian invasion. I hope Romanian names will make it in Serbia and I hope Balkans will once and for all stop all the unrests.--Luci_Sandor (talk, contribs)   00:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am so happy :)

Da, le-am primit. Mulţumesc. bogdan 19:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Creşti mare. Dacă ai timp uită-te peste acestea Romance plurals, Arvantovlaxika Bonaparte talk 09:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pictures Voronot, Sucevita

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Romanian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board#Voronet.2C_Sucevita Do you have such pictures Bogdan? Bonaparte talk 21:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Imagini

Salut, mai poti sa faci niste imagini pentru niste articole? Avem nevoie de:

Mersi! --Anittas 11:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

O să încerc să le fac. bogdan 00:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sate romanesti

OK, sorry. Am vrut să revin la versiunea de dinainte de mutare. O să corectez. bogdan 13:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nu-i nici o problema. Mersi frumos. :) Tu dai mai usor revert.
http://www.erdely.com/moldvaimagyarsag.php daca vrei sa vezi in romana istoria Secuilor din Bucovina :) Bonaparte talk 13:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nu e cam mare poza?
Nu. :-) bogdan 21:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ok, e faina in orice caz. O sa sperii multi *vandali :-) Bonaparte talk 21:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yogic Yang Spiral unreferenced tag

Hi, as I saw you added the unreferenced tag to this article, I added a link to the source article on web. This article was heavily modified in order to make it fit the wikipedia style, especially in the first half. Other references from the Yogic Yang Spiral article include the "Maharishi effect", the "Global Consciousness Project" and various other links to Kashmiri Shaivism and articles on spirals from wikipedia. I don't want to remove the tag myself because you put it and I want you to look it up ans see if it is ok and if not, please comment. Thanks. Horia 10:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hasdeu

Bogdan, daca tu editezi pe wikipedia in romana, poti sa te duci sa muti Bogdan Petriceicu-Haşdeu la Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu (Petriceicu este al doilea nume mic, nu nume de familie). La wikisource apare mai bine, doar ca are cratima. La wikisource chiar nu ma descurc. Multumesc.Dahn 13:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. bogdan 13:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.Dahn 13:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ceva la care chiar nu ma pricep: poti sa faci legatura intre wikisource si articolul in engleza? Dahn 21:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nume romanesti orase Serbia :)

[[1]] Panonian ma roaga sa pun numele romanesti la orasele Novi Kneževac, Banatsko Aranđelovo, Nakovo, Novi Bečej, Aradac, Kačarevo. Ma poti ajuta Bogdan? Bonaparte talk 14:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Request for Adminship

Hey man, thanks a lot for voting in my RfA, I got it! If you need anything, just give me a shout and I'll see you on irc... :) - FrancisTyers 00:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vlachs

I'm going to go bed, yet the Vlachs article needs to be watched, and I haven't yet had time to detail "Over the centuries, the Vlachs split into various Vlach groups", etc.; we know that the different groups broke off at different times, settled in different areas, and mixed with a different set of peoples. Alexander 007 17:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'll watch it. bogdan 17:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Alexander 007 00:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to believe that Slavs invaded the Macedonia (region) before Vlachs. I'm wondering if there is any evidence that contradicts this (there may be). Procopius in the 5th Century mentions towns with Vlach-sounding names, but I don't know if they were in Macedonia. Alexander 007 00:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure about Macedonia, but in Northern Greece, many of the places inhabited by Vlachs have names of Slavic origin. bogdan 00:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Historical names of Transylvania

Hello Bogdan! I noticed at Talk:Etymological list of counties of Romania you said "Cibiniensis" does not date from Roman times but from medieval Latin. Do you know if there is any validity to the "Cibinburg" paragraph at Historical names of Transylvania#Siebenbürgen? Other theories I have heard of suggest Siebenbürgen refers to seven forts built by the Teutonic Knights in Burzenland or to the hill-forts of seven Magyar chieftains. I don't know the validity of the latter theories either. Do you have an opinion if any of them should be included? Olessi 23:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found a couple of references to that "cibinburg" theory:
http://www.haromszek.ro/siculica/acta98/ro/documente/vofkori.html
http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/minor/min00.htm
but it's just another theory. The "seven forts" of the Germans is however, a more popular theory. bogdan 00:23, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi Alpha

Poti bloca pagina? Dupa ce dau revert, tb sa se inteleaga mai intai pe talk page. Eu sunt mediator acolo. Mersi. Bonaparte talk 11:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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