Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/MichaelQSchmidt

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Closing AFDs

Based on this edit (well, in combination with the one before it), I don't think you understand, Michael, what the concerns are. It's not a matter of people worrying that you'll close AFDs in which you've participated. That'd be a quick way to find yourself in a lot of hot water. The issue is that people don't trust you to close any AFD. Your views and voting history leave a lot to be desired. If you're willing to vote to keep such horrible and unworthy articles as you have, it's likely you'd be willing to find consensus to keep where none exists. It's likely you'd be willing to give weight to votes that are worthy of none. Your judgment has legitimately been called into question. That is what people are concerned about. It's not specific to AFDs in which you've voted or BLP AFDs. It concerns all AFDs. Lara 21:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's basically my position. Don't trust him to get any of the important judgement calls right. I'm also far from convinced about the "firing" of the "publicist" and concerned about the self-contradictory, meandering explanations on the RFA page.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%. — Coffee // have a cup // ark // 22:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I trust Michael to close AfDs 100%. As a general observation, I have found inclusionist editors far more objective when closing AFDs than those who claim to be deletionists or anti-inclusionists, whom I frequently see closing discussions as delete for which any neutral editor would have closed as "no consensus," "merge and redirect," and in some cases even "keep." I would say such admins as DGG and Casliber lean slightly inclusionist, although I do see both argue to delete more than say I do, and yet they do not close discussions as keep that they might otherwise want kept. Similarly, I do not make non-admin closes even for discussions that look like snow keeps. I do by contrast see the opposite with admins who lean in the deletionist direction. To suggest that Michael would not follow the path of other inclusionist leaning admins like Casliber and DGG is to assume bad faith and to do so with no real basis. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 22:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I second what A Nobody said, with the caveat that I have not see inclusionist or deletionist tendencies in closing AfDs that weren't dealt with shortly afterwards.

To be clear Lara, you are stating that you don't trust him to follow the policies of Wikipedia and think if would "go rogue" and do whatever he wanted? — BQZip01 — ^talk 22:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As his nominator, you're not doing him any favors. This request is beyond saving anyway, however; so I guess it doesn't matter much that you've decided to go for the "let me completely skew your words and distract from the point" technique. Anyway, since A Nobody mentioned inclusionists and deletionists, it's also worth noting that Michael's definition of each, as expressed in his answer to one of Chet's questions, was a bit ridiculous. That he is clearly an extreme inclusionist yet claims not to be is also concerning. Own up to your positions. I'm normally a deletionist. Extremely so in cases of BLP. See? Not difficult to identify one's positions. Lara 23:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to reply on my talk page, but this works just fine. What we're saying is that he can't be trusted to be an admin, purely because of the way he currently edits AFDs. A Nobody is a rabid inclusionist, and therefore I would be more surprised if he didn't want Micheal to close AFDs than if he did. He won't just go rouge, he'll give (as Lara said) weight to votes that are worthy of none. I've seen it before, and I'm sure I'd see it again with Micheal. The inclusionists love to count votes instead of actually weighing votes per policy, and when they have an inclusionist mindset then they will probably give undue weight anyways. I simply do not trust Micheal to actually follow our policies, as he has shown a lacking of comprehension of them on every AFD he's commented on. Why should I trust someone to be able to walk, let alone run, when they have no legs to stand on? — Coffee // have a cup // ark // 23:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly enough, I have actually argued to delete more frequently than some of those who oppose Michael argue to keep... Moreover, I have probably supported a bunch of admin candidates since my name change who have argued to delete many articles I might have argued to keep. And we see far more deletionist admins give weight to weaker delete votes than stronger keep arguments when they close. Yet, we just don't in reality see inclusionists admins like say Everyking doing the same. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 23:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]