Talk:Maravar (caste)

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Pandya

Its very clear from some sources that Pandyan emperors were Minavar or Minas lineage [1][2]. They are also known by various names such as parathavar, Bharatha kulam. The flag of the Pandiyan kingdom had fish as the emblem for the same reason [3] Pandyas have been mentioned in Silapadikaram as "Arasar murayo Bharathar murayo" . Thalayalanganathu seru vendra Pandiyan Nedunchezian was praised as தென் பரதவர் போர் ஏறே in an another Sangam work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasisekar (talk • contribs) 23:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pandyas used both bull and fish as their emblem. The early Pandyas and the later Pandyas used the bull as well[4],[5]. Only some of the kings were Meenavar and Parathavar. The later pandyas were maravar this is exactly when they started using the Maravarman title. Sasisekar (talk) 00:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need a direct evidence of literary sources or inscriptional references rather than name-theories stating Maravarman Sundara Pandya and others with Maravarnam name were of Maravar caste--Kaikolamudali (talk) 09:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maravarman

The title Mara-varman means Vira-varman and its not Maravar-man(maravar arasan). Some pandyan kings had first name as Jata-varman with Varman clearly being the suffix in their first name. It was unlikely that Pandya kings were of Maravar lineage as there were no direct literary evidence. Evidences show Maravar were in the Pandya army and were also chieftains of Pandya kingdom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasisekar (talk • contribs) 23:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maravarman title is taken after the maravar clan. Not vira varman. There was one, Maravarman Vira Pandya. Vira for valor/bravery is already in his name so why does he have to take the extra title Maravarman? Maravar came to be used as warrior, only because of the war-like qualities and the valor of the Maravar. If you were from anywhere in Tamil Nadu you would know this. Do you know what a person from the mainland would say if he wanted to make copies of something, say a book or some sheets of paper ? 99% of them would say "I have to take xerox"/ "intha pagea xerox edukunum pa" :). That is xerox, a company which makes copier machines became synonymous with making copies. This is the same way Maravar word is used. Nee eela thamizhanaa ? I saw you adding TELO members to the List of Sengunthar. We have as much common as the Chinese and Taiwanese. Sasisekar (talk) 00:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

then Jatavarman belonged to Jatavar clan lol. Maravar was a martial community and there is no doubt in this. But the question is whether the Pandyan kings were of this origin. Kings were not caste conscious. Varman was the suffix. See also this [6]

Here it's maara-varman. Add some good sources for your claim--Kaikolamudali (talk) 09:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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