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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Thackrey (talk | contribs) at 21:51, 25 March 2010. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Your edits to Sean Thackrey

Thank you for your edits to the article on Sean Thackrey. While they appear to be in good faith and in the interest of detail accuracy, several of the changes do not reflect the sources (RS) that the article needs to be based on, and some of the changes you have made are currently followed by inaccurate sounrce attribution until this is repaired. Unfortunately, even though you may personally be aware of errors in the source reports, we may not apply personal knowledge (OR) to Wikipedia in the interest of verifiability. If you are aware of any sources that would help the article I would appreciate if you shared them, but in the cases where unsupported OR contradicts the RS, we have to revert to the sourced statements, even if there may be imprecisions. Cheers, MURGH disc. 23:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I have no idea how to use Wikipedia entry criteria, such as above, not at all self-evident. Anyway, I am Sean Thackrey, and I wanted to correct certain entries in the page given over to me, which I hadn't known existed; surely my own knowledge of my own biography and opinions cannot be less of a verifiable source than printed documents, however inaccurate they may be and ordinarily are. Of course this involves correcting some published incorrect quotations, and I'd be pleased to delete the references to articles that my corrections supersede, but I don't know how to do so. And it's perfectly all right if corrections are attributed to me, since after all they're actually by me. User:75.61.128.252 23:58, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Ah. I can appreciate that the Wikipedia rules are not initially self-evident. This article is quite fresh and had only existed for a few hours before you found it. It is based entirely on the articles that are available online, and the errors you have corrected identical to those found in the reporting (which I tried hard to follow). Even though I believe you are who you say you are, and subsequently a superior source of information, I'm left with the awkward position of pointing out Wikipedia's policies of neutrality, verifiability and (gulp) conflict of interest, not to mention the added concerns that come with biographies of living people. While this article is during the next few days a candidate for the new articles "Did you know" feature it will be under some scrutiny to correctly reflect the sources, I will try to weed out the inaccurate articles, but in the worst case if a claim can't be cited and there could be problems for Wikipedia making an inaccurate biographical statement, it would need to be removed. As I've never been in quite this position, I've asked an experienced fellow wikipedian to lend an opinion. MURGH disc. 00:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to Wikipedia. We always appreciate efforts to improve our articles and hope that you would consider staying and helping out with other wine-related articles. One of the most important policies to keep in mind is our policy on using reliable sources that can be verified by the readers. You see, as an encyclopedia that everyone can edit, Wikipedia will always be liable to criticisms about the accuracy of our work. The only way to counter that accuracy is by including source citation to outside reliable sources that the reader can check for themselves. While your edits may be 100% accurate and correct, without a reliable source citation, there is no way for the reader to know that. Unfortunately, a reader can not enter into your head and relieve your experiences so we consider such material original research that is not appropriate for articles. Now, this doesn't mean that you have to sit there and stand for incorrect material to sit in your article. The best place to go is to the article's talk page, the Wine Project page or (if the material is potential damaging or libelous) to the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. If you explain why the sourced material is incorrect, an experience editor will usually be able to take care of it promptly. If you have another independent, third party source with the correct information, that it is even better. But at the very least, the incorrect information would get removed. It is best to avoid directly editing the article yourself as you have an obvious close link and conflict of interest that can make your edits seem promotional and WP:POV oriented. Hope this helps. AgneCheese/Wine 02:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised to be informed by Google that there was an entry for me in Wikipedia, and I assure you I felt honored by it, and thankful to the person who would take the time and effort to do such a thing. The problem is with the concept of "verifiable", which I'm afraid doesn't seem to me to be in any way established by simple appearance in print; an error of fact is an error, and a misinterpretation of a personal opinion remains such, print or no. So, while I fully sympathize with the need to maintain the credibility of Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, I can't see how this is accomplished by exclusive reliance on printed sources of obviously dubious reliability; I mean, this is hardly peer-reviewed scholarship. So I would suggest that at least in the case of biographies of living persons, it should be possible to include their own corrections and contributions, so long as these are clearly cited as such: in my own case, for example, footnoted as "personal communication from Sean Thackrey". In other words, there should be some way to document the source when I am him.˜˜˜˜

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