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Rich Zubaty

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I noticed this article because Mr. Zubaty himself has been busily creating links to it from other articles. When I read it, though, his chief claims to notability seem to be three self-published books and a podcast, and when I performed a google news search, I couldn't find any reliable, independent sources writing about his importance. In my opinion, there is not enough verifiable information currently available to write an article about this subject. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep But in MY opinion the books are well-researched and full of references. Other authors, many from academic backgrounds, are quoted at length. The point of Wikipedia is to BUILD an article step by step. As someone who had read some of Mr. Zubaty's books I vehemently DISAGREE that this article should be deleted. Indeed, it should be allowed to be expanded just like other articles. Wikipedia should NOT be biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.226.223 (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC) \[reply]
- Note: This user, based on my recent interactions, is almost certainly Rich Zubaty- see my talk page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 14:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Wrong: As a quick verification of IP addresses will show, not even a good author can be in two parts of the world at once. So much for FisherQueen’s judgement and so much for her opinions. I am NOT Rich Zubaty, but someone who has read his books. And someone who is trying contribute to Wikipedia but keeps having his additions removed by vandals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.198.144 (talk) 14:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - In fact, I'd love to expand this article, and started out by trying to do so. Wikipedia's rules only allow me to use information that doesn't come directly from Zubaty, though- I need to use information from neutral sources like newspapers and magazines, or books that have been written about him, not by him. I couldn't find even one source that I could use to expand the article. If you know of any, that's the best way to help the article, because we aren't allowed to keep information that isn't verified in sources like that, and in this article, removing the unsourced information leaves no article at all. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no references, not notable; N.B. IP clearly refuses to read the guidelines (forced reinsertion of inappropriate links, etc.). --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Do Not Delete~~. The link I put back is to a video summary of one of the author's listed books. The description that I took the trouble to write keeps being removed. Everything is entirely within the Wikipedia guidelines. To continually be removing these is childish vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.198.144 (talk) 14:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You only get to vote once, please. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - That was not a "vote". It was an expansion of my earlier comment. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.226.253 (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - could not find any reliable source to establish notability.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jminthorne (talk • contribs)

DO NOT DELETE. I read Mr Zubaty's first book years ago and found it to be one of a very limited number of books I have read that had a significant impact on my own thinking. He is a free thinker and not tethered by the conventions of political correctness. I found this refreshing as I also found his ideas stimulating. Suggesting to delete his page here seems to make absolutely no sense to me. Unless different ideas that don't match with political correctness are a reason for deletion I can't think why someone would want to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmccull (talk • contribs) 22:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT DELETE. Mr. Zubaty is a well known activist and author in the men's rights movement. To delete his page would be no different than deleting that of a similar feminist icon from the women's movement. Making any distinction between self published books and those published by more traditional methods is discriminatory, especially give the bias in publishing houses regarding men's rights literature.

Paul Elam Editor-in-Chief Men's News Daily —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.88.191 (talk) 18:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Has Men's News Daily ever written an article about him? Can you cite it specifically? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course we have, though even if we hadn't it would not mean a lack of legitimacy in the MRM. There are other people who we have not covered. The point about Zubaty's work is that it has now spanned two decades and many in the MRM are familiar with and supportive of his works. Here is one article from 2005 http://mensnewsdaily.com/2005/07/06/112070087985226306/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.88.191 (talk) 19:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And, as additional back up for my vote earlier, please note the following references: http://news.mensactivism.org/search/node/Zubaty and http://www.dadsontheair.net/shows/tag/political-correctness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.88.191 (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Baehr Publisher, Menletter.org My newsletter, Menletter.org, contains a review of one of Rich Zubaty's books at http://menletter.org/articles/What Men Know That Women Don't.htm. His is a voice many may find irritating, and the content of his thoughts may not be universally accepted. I see these as no reason to delete his bio. Menletter is in its ninth year of publication. Menletter (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before FisherQueen comments on the link to the book review being broken, here it is again: http://menletter.org/articles/What%20Men%20Know%20That%20Women%20Don't.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.159.66 (talk) 19:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks- I've added this review as a source in the article. That's one; the requirements call for 'multiple,' but we're on the right track now. You say that many don't like him- even reviews that don't like his book could still show that it's widely read and talked about, as long as they're in reliable, independent sources. The bar for notability does tend to be higher for self-published authors, but there are certainly other authors who self-publish that are notable- Dave Sim leaps to my mind. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sites with References to Author Rich Zubaty

Blogs aren't reliable sources, and neither are forums, which means the first, second, and fourth items on your list are out. I didn't see an article about Zubaty with any information at "fathersforlife," just a quote from one of his books. We could use that to verify that quote is in the book, if we needed to, but that's all I saw. I can't figure out what "angryharry" has to do with Zubaty, nor can I figure out whether it would be a reliable source- it looks like some guy's blog, not like a published newspaper or magazine or a significant source of information, and I didn't see anything about Zubaty- maybe I looked in the wrong place. Has he been interviewed in a real newspaper, or in a print magazine, or written about on a web site that isn't a blog? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zubaty has requested that his page be deleted

I am not sure if this is significant, but a user claiming to be Zubaty has specifically requested that this page be deleted. His statement is as follows, "DELETE my page. I just had someone from Huffington Post link to my wiki page at which point I found out that all my links have been removed. Sabotage. I would rather people link directly to my web site. Rich Zubaty." Ebikeguy (talk) 02:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DO NOT DELETE. This is a transparent attempt at censorship. This is obvious by the attempt to belittle the man with the "self published" comment. It is ironic because Zubati warns against suckling at the corporate teat in his books. He is a well known activist being persecuted by this scurrilous attack by an opponent. Here is a link to a search on a well known activist site with many references to him ** http://news.mensactivism.org/search/node/Zubaty --Cathbard (talk) 03:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]