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Distance?

Most airsoft guns won't even go 100 feet. They say there are restrictions something like no guns over 450 fps at a range of 100 yards or less? No airsoft gun will ever got 100 yards. Ever. I have a 400 fps pistol (And I played airsoft literally today, like all day, in close quarters of ten feet or less, inside a house. The best gun we had was about 450 fps, and I have nothing more than some welts. And I got shot a lot.) and it can shoot across my yard, maybe sixty feet or so, but it falls at about sixty feet. -TDK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.49.185 (talk) 04:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That's because your gun sucks. Now, get lost and stop runing the airsoft article. 96.226.7.12 (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You must use a WalMart or sporting good store guns. My weapon, a D-boy shoots that range. Also, assuming from where you play, (your back yard), you don't seem too knowledgeable about the subject or informed as to the capabilites of them. Velcrochicken17 (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

A well made (usually costs upwards of $500) airsoft sniper rifle that shoots 450 fps can make accurate shots of up to 300 feet. I've seen it done. Also, don't flame the guy who started this topic, he is clearly just starting so don't give him a hard time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 10percentcharlie (talk • contribs) 16:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Expensive airsoft rifles have longer muzzles, 'hop-ups' and other factors that increase their worth in a skirmish. My 280FPS TM G3/SG1 is more than capable of shooting beyond the range of 500FPS airsoft rifles because of the way it has been built and how I have set it up. -Rushyo (talk) 18:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The more fps you have the more range. If you do have a longer barrel that may add some some feet maybe one. And if with hop up that may add more distance. But like with an utg mk96 its 450 fps to 490 and easily can hit a target at 130 ft and more if you get lucky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KamikazeePanda (talk • contribs) 16:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

No, you are completely incorrect. FPS may have some factor on range but "The more fps you have the more range." is a very ignorant comment. Tokyo Marui guns come stock at about 280-300 FPS and most can easily engage players at 200+ feet. Hopup, the diameter of your inner barrel, length of your barrel, BB weight, and overall craftsmanship are what make an airsoft gun have range. FPS only makes the BB go to the target faster, it has very, very negligable effects on range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.155.238 (talk) 01:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

TM stock replicas have an accurate range of 130 feet with a maximum up to 180, depending on the particular type of gun (some hop-up chambers are inherently better than others, a longer barrel is generally better). Replicas with about 450 fps on 0.20 can reach an accurate range of 200 feet, IF there are no air leaks. About 265 feet is the maximum effective range for a plastic 6mm BB, regardless of gun brand or FPS. Anything more than that is physically impossible as due to the large sufrace to weight ratio of a plastic BB it's momentum is lost quickly due to air resistance. The maximum range of BBs without any sort of accuracy is roughly 330 feet - at that range the wind blows the BBs wildly off course, the hop-up must be modified so that it gives the BBs a very strong spin, and the BBs themselves are fired at an angle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.19.222.236 (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Claiming that muzzle velocity has a minimal effect on range is absurd. Of course range depends on horizontal speed; this is very basic physics. Clearly backspin will also have a significant effect, but the length and shape of the barrel probably will not, since those will be a major factor only in muzzle speed; they cannot guide the BB after it has left the gun. BB weight is clearly another factor since heavier BBs will have reduced acceleration due to air resistance, but they will also launch more slowly from the gun and benefit less from the buoyant force. Overall, most of the factors you described primarily determine accuracy, or else they determine speed which in turn determines range. Backspin, as created by Hopup, is the significant exception.

However, I would like to add that the BB weight may be the greatest contributing factor to the difference in performance of your guns. Assuming that both guns actually attain the reported speed (which is unlikely to say the least), the one with longer range may have heavier BBs at the given speed. If it launched lighter BBs, it would actually have a much higher speed which would be comparable to what one would expect given the range. Eebster the Great (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Low-FPS, High-FPS and Excessive-FPS

Airsoft guns are classified accordingly as Low-FPS for CQB games, High-FPS for normal field games, and Excessive-FPS for semi-automatic or single-shot sniper guns firing at 600 fps or higher.

Probably WP:OR. Going to remove this as part of my clean-up tomorrow. Any complaints? -Rushyo (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Safety - not just for wimps

Saftey is important, how would you like it if you got shot in your eye and was blind in one eye. All you need is a pair of saftey googles that cost $5. I think the statement "airsoft guns are safe" should be re-thought. The above discussion of "protective gear is for pussies" is also worrying. This news report concerns "psycho" rather than "backyard" or "organised" airsoft, but is instructive. X-ray (or CT scan?) shows pellet behind eyeball, by optic nerve ! "3mm pellet" could be radius, not diameter ? Pellet may be stuck in boy's eye for life - Chronicle and Echo, Northampton UK --195.137.93.171 (talk) 01:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

"ball bearing gun"... not airsoft. Using radius of a pellet is basically unheard of. Your point is sound though. I hear of people protecting themselves with sunglasses and can't help but imagine what having shards of glass in your eye feels like. -Rushyo (talk) 01:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Bleh shards in the eye doesn't sound fun! I usually have some of the people i take fire at the goggles or whatever eye protection with my airsoft gun to make sure it wont shatter.(echo1 m4 spc 380-390fps)

product placement

someone needs to clean up this article to remove the product placement. seriously. hornplayer2 (talk) 06:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What product placement specifically? ...and you could: WP:Be bold! Rushyo ^Talk 22:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

opening paragraph "Some of the notable manufacturers of airsoft guns include Tokyo Marui, Classic Army, and ICS." i would, but honestly, i dont have the time. hornplayer2 (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is that product placement? They really are the manufacturers that the majority of airsofters use. Those three, along with STAR, describe the only brands I personally purchase from. Admittedly it needs citation but in itself the information is worthy of inclusion. -Rushyo ^Talk 17:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

u need to were glasses —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.189.162 (talk) 01:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Nobody said that these are the best companies, just the largest and most established. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.4.14 (talk) 22:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The more serious problem is the blatent advert added in at the bottom of the Legal section... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.87.64 (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

"This article or section appears to contradict itself. Please help fix this problem"

I was going to try and fix this but am unsure what the contradiction problem here is? Who put that there? Tuxraider reloaded (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Honestly I don't think anyone has a clue. It's probably not pertinent anymore. Rushyo ^Talk 22:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it. If the person who put it there thinks it should go back, lets talk about it here. Tuxraider reloaded (talk) 00:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Tone and style tags

I've removed these as the page has had numerous edits since, adding lots of refs. The 'tone' of the page is not in any significant way different to any other page on wikip.

If the person who added them dis-agrees please discuss it here, don't just revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxraider reloaded (talk • contribs) 00:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

section 6.4, what is a vernulles effect? would that be in reference to the Bernoulli effect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.216.225.13 (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Legal issues Section - same old mistake

Time ago the article was getting very long due to country legal issues, so the 'Legal issues' article was created and specific country information moved. Now seams that we are going the same wrong way, we already have info at 'Legal issues' section about U.S., UK, Australia, Austria, Belgium and so on. Why doing the same mistake again? Are we waiting for remaining countries to get a long list and then cut? One more thing, isn't US and UK part of the 'Worldwide Regulations'?

(anon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.202.227 (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Littering/Clean up?

What about airsoft bb's being left everywhere outside? Are they biodegradable? Almost all airsoft BB's are Biodegradable stay aways from bright red airsoft BB's for they are not good for the environment but 6mm 12 and 25 .g are biodegradable but the healthiest for the environment are white BB's

Some arent, most are. At the sites I've played at (outdoors) they just seem to get trod into the ground so you don't see much in the way of 'litter' really. In indoor (CQB) games they have people who clean up afterwards, (sweepers) Tuxraider reloaded (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

There are several kinds for sale at my local sporting goods store which are biodegradable, but they are slightly more expensive and don't come in anything under .12g —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.180.250.184 (talk) 02:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Corrupt companies are selling plastic to BB's to corrupt people. The plastic BB's are going to be around forever. I would have hated to grow up playing in another generation's trash. That is exactly what everyone shoting those plastic BB's and the companies selling them are leaving for future generations. Plastic is poisonous too, it never breaks down, it only seperates into smaller molecules which are ingested by wildlife. People all over the world are getting cancer from these poisons and this will continue to get worse. Google: toxic garbage island for a real eye opener about how bad the plastic problem is. These pretend soldiers should show respect for their countries and only use BIODEGRADABLE BB's! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.19.223 (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Um, exactly what edit are you suggesting? I should remind you that this is not a forum for general discussion. Eebster the Great (talk) 20:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Airsoft's environmental friendliness needs to be addressed in the article. Non-biodegradable plastic should not be littered all over the place, no matter how small it is or how well it gets pushed into the ground. See Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Pulseczar (talk) 14:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Lame

Most airsoft BB's are biodegradable try to stay away from bright red BB's they are never biodegradable... The best BB's to buy for the environment are white —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniic93 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Just looking at the photos it looks like a bunch of grown men who are enacting their military fantasies because they never had the balls to join the real military. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.247.18 (talk) 05:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that was just completely ignorant of you to say, as I am a Marine myself, and I love to Airsoft. Maybe, you're the Wannabe here.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.243.109 (talk) 00:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for adding to the discussion. Your comments make you look very mature ;)

It's amusing talk page vandalism, also untrue. Many airsofters I've played with are former members of the armed forces. Indeed, the best games are often run by them. Tuxraider reloaded (talk) 18:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

That's Cool. You're a cool guy. Full us with more wisdom.86.46.208.159 (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Heck, i've even heard of some military units using airsoft as their method of familiarizing their personnel with real world senarios. I've even heard of Systema's airsoft guns being used for military training. No sources though.Joker4eva (talk) 13:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Systema weapons are for military/police training. Some airsofters acquire them (at great cost) for use in airsoft skirmishes, since they have various advantages over typical airsoft weapons. -Rushyo

Holy crap you sound real mature my friends dad and mine were both retired marines please dont make comments like that1 I mean if you really want to go up to a marine or army guy and say that

Ugly Ass Pictures

71.178.31.100 (talk) What is up with all the horribly bad pictures of teenagers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.31.100 (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Correction re: gun muzzles

I would have to agree.

Correction regarding American laws under section heading "Orange-tipped airsoft gun muzzles”

The citation (13) reads;

1150.1 Applicability. This part applies to toy, look-alike, and imitation firearms (“devices”) having the appearance, shape, and/or configuration of a firearm and produced or manufactured and entered into commerce on or after May 5, 1989, including devices modeled [sic] on real firearms manufactured, designed, and produced since 1898. This part does not [italics added] apply to:

(a) Non-firing collector replica antique firearms, which look authentic and may be a scale model but are not intended as toys modelled [sic]on real firearms designed, manufactured, and produced prior to 1898;

(b) Traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of compressed air, compressed gas or mechanical spring action, or any combination thereof...

Sub-section (b) clearly excludes Airsoft guns from the orange tip/muzzle plug requirement. The Florida incident you cite appears to have involved a toy gun made to look like a real weapon which would fall under this legislation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Helmigr (talk • contribs) 19:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup: TO DO

After a review of this article, a list of things to be done.

• History section needs expansion.
• Airsoft equipment perhaps could use its own article?
• Legal issues section needs to be merged with Legal issues in airsoft as much of it duplicates thing on that page. The information presented on this page should be a basic summery that covers the main points without going into too many specifics. Right now, there's too much information and listing laws for every country is better placed on the article created for it. As an added note, the Legal issues in airsoft page is currently a bunch of bullet points, so when they're merged, effort should be made to remove the bullet points.
• Orange tipped gun section reads a bit like OR and lacks an NPOV. Sure criminals could paint and orange tip on the gun, but without a source to back this up (which I doubt exists), this information does not belong here.
• Article needs sourcing. There are a whole lot of unverified claims here. Certainly there are books on this sport that can be used as references.

--Lendorien (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

At more than one point this article has been well-sourced and nicely written. Unfortunately there's a high idiot to sensible editor ratio on this particular article. Personally I think we should revert back to one of the earlier variations -Rushyo ^Talk 11:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Wording

Not that it's a huge problem, but I think that the wording could be re-worded a little bit. For example, in the introduction to airsoft, the beggining, it cites "Airsoft is more commonly played by kids now", which in itself is not incorrect a majority of people playing airsoft are youth, but "kids" is a rather reletive term and I think that it could be changed. That was just an example. So if nobody has a problem with it I'm going to go and change that right now. Peace. -jyby —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyby1 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

I've tried to clean this article up. I've taken out a lot of trivial detail in places, and will probably do more. Please consider how valuable information really is before putting it back in. If some aspect needs covered in a lot of detail, maybe it should have its own article. --hippo43 (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

To help clean this up a bit im going to switch the orders of the Mil Sim and Skirmish to help clarify some things. i'm also going to add external links for the tactical gear to give better examples.--Jdmpassion69 (talk) 06:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

CYMA should not represent Airsoft weaponry

CYMA is well known as the worst airsoft brand, and having the first picture of an airsoft gun as a CYMA is pretty dubious. Could we possibly get a picture of a different gun, preferably a proper AEG? novalord2 16:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Since when is Cyma truly considered the worst brand? They are known for making acceptable AKs, M14s, and an AEP G18 for the price. They shouldn't represent airsoft, but they aren't as bad as you say. Halofanatic333 (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

CYMA makes LPEGs, but they also make very good clone MPEGs. Their ak 028 are known for being very durable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.173.104 (talk) 04:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

If anything, Cybergun shouldn't represent Airsoft Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Lots of opinion..

There are lots of things in this article such as "making the game extremely fun.", and "is a lot of fun.", those are both an opinion, also being unspecific. :/ No offense to whoever did some of these things but some parts are looking a little like it was written by a 3rd grader who like airsoft and also one section isn't cited. Someone please clean this up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Backslash166

Informal writing and poor grammar

I've made numerous improvements to the grammar and diction of this article, but there are still many problems with this article's writing. Chunks of this article were obviously written by people who haven't finished high school.

Please help with this, this article has been gradually getting better over the past few months :) Novalord2 10:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Legal Issues, slight inaccuracy

"Also, the use or possession of any kind of replica weapon, loaded or otherwise in a public place is an offense under UK law and can carry heavy penalties."

This needs a bit of clarification. Possession of an Airsoft Replica in a public space, as long as it is completely hidden from view and unloaded is legal in the UK. It only becomes an offence if the weapon is visible. It's not a major issue, but, it could be confusing for some. RWJP (talk) 10:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Milsim vs Open Skirmish

I think it may be a good idea to split the Methods of Play section to better explain open skirmishes. These are, in many cases, more common and frequent than Milsim events and tend to be where many plyers begin airsofting and learn, before moving onto more milsim style games. As such, i think it deserves more than just a handful of passing mentions in comparison to Milsim.

I'm working on a draft idea at the moment, but would like some help and suggestions.

(Just to re-iterate, i'm talking about open skirmishes at official organised airsoft sites, not backyard airsoft, which may deserve a separate mention of it's own.)

RWJP (talk) 10:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Real Steel in Arenas

"All "real steel" firearms, explosives, and bladed weapons are banned at any airsoft battlefield to prevent harmful accidents or confusion between real and simulated weapons" This is not true. I know some operation that allow real knives.Fricken Hamster (talk) 04:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a bit of a generalization, however, it is safe to say that the sites you know of are the exception, not the majority. Real blades, are, by their very nature, dangerous and as such, in 99% of cases are banned at Airsoft sites. RWJP (talk) 13:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say 99% as I hear of many people taking them on field for actually tool use (not as a weapon). Plastic/rubber knives are generally used for "kills" Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why you'd need to take them out during a normal skirmish, considering very few normal games would ever require you to need a real knife. Yes, oerhaps Milsim games may require a knife to be used, but Milsim games make up a small part of Airsoft as a whole, with skirmish type games being the majority. It's safe to say that use of a real blade at an airsoft game is fairly rare at best, and similarly with training blades, as, in many cases they are as dangerous as the real thing.

Perhaps this would work: "All "real steel" firearms and explosives are banned at any airsoft battlefield to prevent harmful accidents or confusion between real and simulated weapons. In some cases, for example Milsim games, players are allowed to carry knives for use as a tool, rather than a weapon. A similar limit applies to training blades, which are allowed at some airsoft fields but under strict usage rules."

RWJP (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds better. However, while not a "real steel" explosive, some grenades are powered by a fire cracker. However, to my knowledge, I have not heard of too many places allowing these. Your revision sounds a lot better than what was there. EDIT:Forget that it'd be under pyrotechnics. Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and add that revised sentence in then, I prefer it to what we've got at the moment. RWJP (talk) 16:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, definitely better than what was there. Halofanatic333 (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Summary of edit

Ok, I couldn;t fit everyhting I did into the summary of my edit, so here it is, broken down:

Action: Removed phrase "& Backyard Games" from title of Open Days section Reason: Section does not describe backyard games, nor are they similar to open days. Open days refer to officially organised airsoft games at official sites.

Action: Changed word "millions" to "many" in venues section Reason: There is no confirmed number of sites around the world, so neither millions, nor the prior thousands are suitable. As there are quite a few, many is the best word at the moment.

Action: Removed paragraph regarding the AoBA from the section regarding legality. Reason: Aside from reading like an advert, the AoBA is not a particularly notable organisation. It does not currently have any members, nor does it have any particular "power" within the UK Airsoft community. The text is preserved below for future editing and eventual conclusion:

The Association of British Airsoft (www.aoba.org.uk) has been created to become a Player representation within the UK and to provide a further defence for Airsoft Players, co-existing with the existing membership group UKARA as a way to bolster the existing scheme and increase membership levels in Britain. It provides members with benefits to registering (Including Legal Advice, discounts), whilst allowing Airsofters to get involved with their sport. If they have concerns or questions they now have a contact point where accurate information can be provided.

Action: Removed sentence regarding hollow airsoft pellets. Reason: Badly written, and not appropriate for this article, would be suited for Airsoft pellets after his has been proof-read and improved. Once again, the test is preserved below for future editing:

Most airsoft projectiles are not hollow but some are but once again unpopular because they shatter in the gun or may shatter into someones facemask.