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38.108.250.130 Edit

38.108.250.130/74.102.169.136 is spamming the page with unrelated link.


74.102.169.136 : Link are not unrelated - See all citations at bottom of page. You have been banned many times for doing your deletions and accusations against users on this page, and you are doing the same thing again.

@ Bal537[Chamar] (38.108.250.130/74.102.169.136) It was due to vandalism by you that Gwen Glen locked this topic. I am surprised why he unlocked this topic.It was your id Bal537 which was banned due to which you don't come here with this id anymore. If I were banend then I wouldn't have been able to edit this section.I am a Ramdasia Sikh and you a Ravidasia chamar who should have no right to edit a section to which you don't belong to. You also goto Jatt section and do the same. Stop posting your Chamar Advertizement link here . Ravinder121 (talk) 10:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bal537's Edit

User Bal537 is vandalizing wikipedia by posting false information.


12.182.80.222 (talk) 19:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr Bal Ramdasia's ancient profession was Weaving not leather making which is the ancient profession of Ravidasias, Chamars. Large number of Ravidasias call themselves as Ramdasias because there is stigma attached to Ravidasias but if you look at their caste certificate it clearly says Ravidasia and not Ramdasia and then they try to project that Ramdasia and Ravidasia are same.

Moreover Chamars(Ravidasias) still believe in modern day gurus and goto Sant Ravidasia's temple where Ramdasias never go. Ravinder121 (talk) 19:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And what about your far fetched comments like Jats are also chamars .

Please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Without citations to reliable sources, there's little to talk about here. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 25,2009

User Bal537 is an imposter and is posting false information and doing vandalism.

This user has recently made edit using fake proxy I.P address 12.182.80.222 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.174.104 (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided plenty of proofs. Just to a google search on "Ramdasia Chamar" and you will find countless links showing that Ramdasia's are Chamar. Bal537 (talk) 20:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)bal537[reply]

July 25, 2009

User 12.182.80.222 is a vandal.

He is posting bogus information on various sections including Ramdasia.

Some of the various False Facts posted on Chamar Section:-

a) Baluch Mochis and Chamars are also classed as Jat meaning camel rider.

Jat is a separate caste and has nothing to do with Chamars or Ravidasia. Chamars are impersonating themself as Jats (Farmer), Mehra (Khatris), Chopras (Khatris).

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_people ( Clear mention of Jat) Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatri (Clear mention of Khatri Clan which includes Mehra) Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopra (Punjabi Khatri)

I would request Chamars to stop impersonating other castes and avoid posting BOGUS information.

If other castes are not updating information on wikipedia, it gives no right to any vandal to distort facts and create bogus information to misguide others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singh online121 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


That was not posted by me and the poster has provided a valid link.

Bal537 (talk) 01:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)ba537[reply]

July 24,2009

The official Constitution of India lists Ramdasia caste as a Chamars. How do you explain that? Here is the link: [1].

Castes and Tribes of Punjab by G.W Briggs written in 18th century lists Ramdasia as Chamars. How do you explain that? [2]


A research paper on scheduled castes of Punjab: Showing that Ramdasia's are Chamars [3]

Official Constitution of India: Scheduled Castes Amendment [4]

Please review provided links that proves and validates what I have written.

01:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Bal537 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bal537 (talk • contribs)


25 July 2009

Your 1st link does not open
Your 2nd link is a book by a Britisher during British Rule in 1886.In those times another book was written by a Britisher calling Guru Gobind Singh and Sikhs as robbers because the only information he got was from moughal's text and without verifying any facts he wrote a book based on the references from moughal invaders.
Your 3rd link is again a book ,this time by Harish k Puri which extensively cites text from moughal invaders and British invaders ,without clearing how they came up with that as it does not cite any proof.
Your 4th link only says that all these castes are under reserved section which is true but this certainly doesn't mean all these castes are same and all are chamars
Finally , you have also mentioned in other sections that Jats ,Brahmin ,Kshatriya are also chamars which is clearly far fetched and totally false .Ravinder121 (talk) 10:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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