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Hello! Thanks for dropping by... please feel free to leave me a message below. I don't have a convention as to where I'll respond, be it here, your talk page, or the talk page of the subject we're discussing - but I'll do my best to keep things clear. Let me know if you have a preference... now, get typing! Ckatz
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Reverted changes - please explain

Please let me know why you reverted the changes to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conservative_Party_of_Canada&direction=prev&oldid=337361167

I had posted the following information, directly related to the subject, which has factual evidence supporting it....

The decision has subsequently given rise to a grassroots protest group, created by Christopher White on December 30, 2009, on the Facebook website entitled "Canadians Against Proroguing Parliament" which has been featured in global news headlines and attracted a membership of over 150,000 in its first 12 days of being online.

cmt

Reverting of affective computing and e-mail

The modifications I did to affective computing and e-mail were partly coming from my articles, which cite other sources. Consequently, these ideas are not only mines, and, furthermore, you make a mistake when confounding citing sources and making self-promotion.

Hi,

Sir i am the collector of vintage Casio digital LCD watches, calculator watches and melody alarm chronographs and games watches. i made a site on Casio digital watches CasioDigitalWatches.com, which contain information about vintage Casio digital LCD watches and i also made a site on vintage rare digital LCD Watches RareDigitalWatches.com which also contain pictures of vintage digital watches from Casio Seiko and Citizen. and they both sites contain just information and pictures vintage digital watches to help digital watches collectors. i am not spamming and i just want my both websites will add in the any of Casio watch related article external links on wikipedia, so please allow me add these both sites on Calculator Watches Article. or suggest me any of your article which will be suitable to my sites.

Sorry for my Poor English.

Waiting for your early Positive reply.

Please reply in my messages.

Thanks and Warm Ragards Kashif

Talkback

Hello, Ckatz. You have new messages at CelticWonder's talk page.
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Tea Studies Index(Non-encyclopedic content.)

Tea Studies Index Can you give me some suggestions on what needs changing(format), also where can I ask for help for others to participate in helping.

Below are some reasons for the need of this article

  • 1. On wiki there are many sections on terminology and classification.
  • 2. A Tea Studies Index information/article.
  • 3. In the Chinese language, there is a very detailed complete tea studies, terminology, and index, yet English has none yet.
  • 4. I propose this Tea Studies Index just like other fields have specialized terminology, index, and classification.
  • 5. The Tea Studies Index information/article I am the writer/owner, yet I give full permission to the wiki website for use and revisement or such, and give the above information to public domain use. No copyright infringements, any of this article's info, as been derived from posts from my blog (5 years noncommercial and I am the only poster therefore no permission needed)dedicated to tea studies education [1] Where I have posted some of this information about tea studies index. We also will be using this information at Tenfu Tea College and throught the tea studies community.
  • "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tea_Studies_Index some of the above info is from "

External Reference and permission

  • Cited from the book.[2]
  • [3]“Chinese-English Tea Studies Terminology”,Translators and Editors: Tsai, Rong-Tsang and Steven R. Jones(me)

Lu-Yu Tea Culture Institute, Co., Ltd. (2010), ISBN978-957-9690-06-5《中英文茶學術語》 ( 陸羽茶藝股份有限公司 , 2010, ISBN978-957-9690-06-5) 編譯者：蔡榮章‧瓊斯史迪芬

about your message

Bye for now.

About Alhambra

Hi Ckatz,

I write about your editing in the Alhambra page. I added a couple of sites I think that have the most complete information about the monument.

AlhambraDeGranada.org is an old page with very detailed descriptions of the places inside the Alhambra. An exalmple is the Places and spots section (http://www.alhambradegranada.org/en/info/placesandspots.asp).

Alhambra-patronato.es is the official website.

So, I think they should be there.

I wait for your comments. Best regards :)

Javilillo74

Koobits

Hi Ckatz, my article got into some trouble. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koobits Could you please help me?

It says:

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page. 

   * The notability of this article's subject is in question. If notability cannot be established, it may be listed for deletion or removed. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It is written like an advertisement and needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may require general cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Tagged since April 2010.
   * It may have been edited by a person who has a conflict of interest with the subject matter. Tagged since April 2010.

How to establish notability? The article was written form a neutral point of view, with references showing the facts. Why is it considered not notable?

In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability, it says

If an article fails to cite sufficient sources to demonstrate the notability of its subject, look for sources yourself, or: 

   * Ask the article's creator or an expert on the subject[6] for advice on where to look for sources.

* Put the

tag on the article to alert other editors. * If the article is about a specialized field, use the

tag with a specific WikiProject to attract editors knowledgeable about that field, who may have access to reliable sources not available online. I believe there are sufficient coverage in the page reinforcing the validity or notability for that matter. Does the problem lie with the

tag?

I did not change the content. Why the sudden warning? Will there be future warnings even if there are no changes to the content? Is it possible for other users to sabotage a page by falsely alleging that the page is not ‘notable’, or any other kinds of complaints for that matter?

I use DELL as an example, they seem to have no problem. Why do I have so many problems? =(


I feel so sad when my article gets rejected. Please help me! Thank you!

Porches Pottery

Dear Ckatz. IU'm a little confused as to "It needs proper, third-party sources tied to the text in the article," Everything in the text is factual. There are several books in sources and further info where this can be verified. If you google "Porches Pottery" you wil find the same information. As for third party, in these books Porches pottery is talked about by people such as Brian Fallon (art critic to Irish Times for 35 years), Anthony Cronin, John Ryan , Fernando de Azvedo (painter and President of Sociadede de Bellas Artes, Lisbon), Richard Morphet (Keeper, Tate Britain from 1986 until 1998)- which i've now added- etc. Richard Morphert: " He later set up a pottery in the Algarve, whose part in the revival of the regional craft has been recognised. Here Swift made a huge contribution to the popularisation of the Algarve, and to the recognition of the beauty of Portugal's landscape, history and culture."[5]

I'm also not sure which part of the text you think needs sources tied to it? Or why? "to support the claims." ? Two artist set up a pottery to try and revive the local pottery industry. This is well know to anyone who knows Porches, the Artists, the Algarve etc. All is supported by books etc in sources. The rest is mainly info on pottery, methods of decoration etc. This is not a scientific or academic entry.

"It also needs an involved rewrite to clean out "fluffy" text" What you regard as fluffy i imagine is the mind-set and inclanation of the two artists who set out to save the local pottery industry from extinction- which has been recognised by the Portuguese Government. These are two well known artists. What one person may regard as ´fluffy' others will think as something that should be celebrated.

In my opinion the article needs no further work. And i've studied Patrick Swift and read these books. The fact that someone has not read these books, does not know Porches Pottery, Patrick Swift etc does not mean the article needs further sources.

Fernando de Azvedo in An Irish Painter In Portugal, 2001, Crawford Municipal Art Gallery, Cork (ISBN 0-946846-75-8) actually says that Swift's setting up of Porches Pottery is something that the Portuguese people should be always grateful for.

Porches Pottery

Dear Ckatz. Again.I still fail to see the validity of your arguments. The history of Porches Pottery, in short, is thus: Patrick Swift, artist, is living in the Algarve. Lima de Freitas, artists, has a house there. Both like crafts. Swift had lectured on ceramics in London. The Algarve up until the early 60's had a thriving pottery industry. The Algarve at this stage was still virtually stuck in the middle ages. With the arrival, in the Algarve, of modern manufacturing, especially plastic wares, the local people, thinking these were better, more modern, would purchase the mass produced plastics etc wares. The pottery industry lost its market. Swift and Lima, both having a love of crafts, decided to try and revive the industry. They thought that decorating the pots etc would make them attractive to tourists. They created a range of paterns etc that they thought were true to the past civilisations that inhabited the Algarve. Thankfully their idea worked so well that Porches Pottery is still in existance and it is famous for its pottery. In fact the Algarve is now generally regarded as being a place to buy ceramics, though most of what is on sale is not produced in the Algarve. It's still the only working pottery in the Algarve. However, due in no small past to Porches Pottery, there are many small studios producing pottery. Unfortunately there are also countless shops selling pottery produced in northern portugal and elsewhere.

Now, this is the interesting history behind Porches. If you don't like its history, think its 'fluffy' etc that does not mean that the history lacks validity, sources, or is in some way promoting. That is the history of that pottery. And it is a history that many, including myself, think should be celebrated. Others in this catagory include the Portuguese Government (who made the building a nationally listed building- though it was build by Swift in early 70's), coultless artists etc etc.

Anyone with an interest in Art, crafts, pottery, Algarve would be interested in this story. I fail to understand why the history of the pottery should be altered to something other than the truth?

Also, it would be useful if contributors checked sources, validity of sources, history behing article etc before you state it lacks sources, lacks validity etc. If you have not read the books, do not know the story, this does not mean it is unvalidated or lacking in sources. And it would be useful to contact other contributors before making such statements. There is also a discussions page. The dicussions page is the only suitable place for discussions on the 'style' of an article.

Also, your statement: "simply saying "everything is true and verifiable" along with a long list of books and sites doesn't help a non-resident to verify the claims" . I'm not sure i follow. Are books not verifiable sources? What in the lords name is verifiable then?

I leave you to please undo your last edit. I do not want some editorial argument which is unwarranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TisTRU (talk • contribs)

Thank you for your note. I see now where your confusion lies; you appear to be misinterpreting the expressed concerns as an argument for not including the article. That is not the case; what needs to be done is that the writing and references need to be brought in line with Wikipedia's standards. Copyediting serves to rework the writing style, layout, etc. to make the article match other entries; peacock terms are overly promotional words and phrases that - while appropriate for promotional literature - do not belong in an encyclopedia article. Finally, with regard to references, you have provided a list of books and links. However, not all of those entires meet the standards of our reliable sources guideline, and they also need to be matched to the important facts and details in the article. Given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, we place a high importance on making sure that any reader can also verify the facts that are presented. I hope this eases your concerns. --Ckatzchatspy 17:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It does seem like we are failing to progress here with these discussions. And we do want progress do we not? We don't just want to leave aspersions on the article hanging over it now do we. There is something about the article that you do not like. However, you are not helping by not specifying what it is you dislike. I'm at a total loss as to what sources etc would satisfy you? Books and links don't seem to cut the mustard. With the wording, again you have failed to point out what wording you think is inappropriate. It sems to me you have an issue with the history of Porches Pottery and don't believe, or do not want to believe, its history. It's clear that you have no knowledge of Porches Pottery nor of the two artists who founded it. Yet you feel totally at liberty to cast doubt on the article.

I refer you to Wikipedia regarding verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." - If you search for "Patrick Swift" in www.abebooks.com or www.amazon.com most of these books will come for anyone to purchase.

Wikipedia on Citations: "Citations are usually presented within articles in one of five ways: General reference: By placing the citation in a list at the end of an article. Footnote: By placing it in a footnote, with a link following the assertion (whether a clause, sentence, paragraph, etc.) that it supports.[3] "

Now. I have done both of those.

What it seems you are suggesting is that there are several linked references in the article itself. Something like : Patrick Swift and Lima de Freitas founded <fef>. But i don't see the necessity for that nor do i see how or where you could do it? Perhaps if you pointed out parts that you think need linked references i will tell you where to find that information and add it as a reference. But this is not an overly complex entry. It is a pottery. And there are no major claims made. Certainly none that can't be verified -even by a thorough google search- and that aren't common knowledge to those who know the pottery etc.

It would probably be of use if you pointed out what you think lacks credibility. And Why. I'm honestly at a loss.

Also, these are some pretty major figues in the art world who talk about Swift and Porches Pottery: Fernando de Azvedo (painter and President of Sociadede de Bellas Artes, Lisbon); Peter Murray (Director of Crawfor Art Gallery, Cork), Aidan Dunne (arts critic to the Irish Times)...
This link will bring you to tha amazon website where the AA Spiral Guide to Algarve can be purchased. It has over two pages dedicated to Swift and the pottery (up till 2009. I've not seen the 2010 edition if there is one) [6]That doesn't seem to work so here is the title Algarve (AA Spiral Guides) by Paul Murphy and Susie Boulton (Spiral-bound). Its on amazon etc.
Ckatz. Re-reading I've probably been a bit defensive and quick in passing judgement. To be honest i'm probably getting a bit tired of wikipedia. I took offence because i created the article, and as i've studied Swift i know the history of the Pottery etc. And i also took offense at the implied suggestion that the article lacked credibility etc. But it's a pottery so my attitude etc is unecessary really, interesting as the subject is. I've added a couple of links to bits about Lima de Freitas (I think he's on Portuguese wiki). I suppose if you've not read the books, been to the pottery, spoken to people who know it etc you'll not be able to verify the history. In which case I can't see the sources ever passing whatever test there is. As i don't see the point of having an article that has doubts as to sources etc plastered all over it - wiki has enough problems with credibility- then we may as well delete the article. Not entirely sure how thats done but imagine it would need an editor. Anyways i'm off on holiday shortly. - Yep, thinking about it i'd rather it was deleted. Its a charming story and I'd rather not have my including it in wikipedia as being the source for people doubting the story.
TisTRU, no-one is suggesting the article should be deleted. It requires cleanup, and the tags are there to draw the attention of skilled copy editors. As for the references, it is simply a case of taking the sources, identifying which ones meet the reliables ources guideline, and then matching those up to details in the text. Again, no deletion is proposed. --Ckatzchatspy 16:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but if the sources that are there now etc do not meet the criteria then I'm not sure the article will ever meet the criteria. There are probably other sources out there (I know it appeared in a doc on Portugese tv about the Algarve but no idea where to find it or how you'd ref it) but most will be things written by holiday resorts, inflight mags etc. And I don't think it needs to have sources to match the text. Its a pretty simple story. Anyways, no point in having the article there forever with signs regarding the fact it needs improving etc. Especially considering anyone can replace the same signs even if they are removed. It just becomes too tedious. The only thing i can suggest is deleting the article or removing its content and only having something like: "Producer of hand-painted pottery". But then may as well not have it on wiki at all. - as it stands at the moment anyone who looked at the article would think its some fabricated promotional blurb. And that is not doing justice the the pottery, artist and the interesting history behind it, so best simply to remove it.

Request for mediation of Time travel

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Thank you, AGK 20:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Behind the Voice Actors

Hey Ckatz thanks for getting back to me. As I am basically new here I tried reading up on some of the rules and guidlines but kind of find wiki to not be th emost user friendly place in the world unless you want to read novels j/k. But in all seriousness I apologize for any hassle myself or the site has given you.

It was my understanding that wiki allows external links that provide content that wiki cannot and since we provide both visual and audio samples of all these voice actors that you cannot find anywhere else on the web that it would be worth a link. We are much different than your everday voice actor database like voicechasers etc in that respect. That being said I do understand the conflict of interest angle. However, I notice that IMDB is linked on just about every voice actors page which begs the question.

  1. 1. How do we eventually find a way to get that priviledge when our content is usually much more extensive and accurate than IMDB for voice acting since they are so broad and we focus solely on the voice actors.

I appreciate and thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

I was also curious, the Frank Welker link we had up there had been up for over 6 months without a problem and it wasnt until we added a couple others that they all got taken down. We were not trying to spam and add links for all our pages but rather just the ones that we had done extensive work in getting to a 'complete' stage. Optimussolo (talk) 03:08, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Coolidge again

Hey. Someone tried to work around the block you put on the Emma Coolidge article, and recreated it as Emma (Heroes). I made it into a redirect, but the person may start edit warring over it again. The person seems to have created an account, so it may be best to full protect both. Ωphois 16:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit without summary

Hi, would you mind if I asked for a reason for this recent revert? WikiuserNI (talk) 20:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ckatz. Why the reverted edits for Alastair's books? Is there a standard format for book citation?

Norm

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