Talk:Yugoslavia
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1991 events (10 day war)
I have changed chapter...
"However, under orders, the Yugoslav Army did not carry live ammunition and the Slovene territorial defence took advantage of this by shooting at young conscripts. Recently the Austrian ORF tv station showed footage of several young Yugoslav soldiers at Holmec (border crossing with Austria), carrying a white cloth and raising their hands in the air, apparently to surrender to the Slovenian territorial defence, before gunfire was heard and the troops were seen falling down. This and other events are known as the so-called Ten-Day War in Slovenia."
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"Army however had no logistic support for a long term warfare, aswell as there was no political consensus within the Federal Executive Council to which extent the army was to be used. After ten days and 76 victims the so called Ten-Day War for Slovenia was over and JLA army was forced back in the barracks."
Yugoslav Army did carry live ammunition, there were several incidents involving gunfire, and from 76 persons killed, 19 were on Slovenian side (Territorial defence and Police).
Holmec incident is a subject of current political games between Serbia and Slovenia and it's meaning in the ten-day war is prepotent. It had no obvious impact on the war itself, and no one was shot dead in that incident. Serbian side claims first war crime in 90s happend there, however this was already legaly rejected by the Slovenian court, so unless this is to be legaly proven in the future, such statement is not to be taken as historical fact and as such written down in Wikipedia.
German invasion and Operation Barbarossa
The claim that the German invasion of Yugoslavia resulted in a delay to Operation Barbarossa has been comprehensively exploded by historians.
Animation of the breakup of Yugoslavia
I don't know how the 2008 unilaterally-proclaimed, (quasi-)independent "country" of Kosovo is included in the breakup of Yugoslavia - the animation should show what has happened to the region up until the name Yugoslavia existed thus Kosovo shouldn't be included (since it unilaterally proclaimed independence whilst under the name of Serbia). Can someone please remove that part of the animation or just post another one ASAP. Even if we don't take this into consideration, since Kosovo is not recognised as a state by the greater half of the world I don't see how there isn't a note stating that it is a break-away/separatist state.
This article is protected for 3 days
Please discuss the intended edits on this page, and establish a consensus - with reference to policy and reliable sources - for the correct terminology for the state as regards the flag used for each period. I should suggest that as this is the English language Wikipedia it would be the name used by English language sources for the appropriate period, rather than the local usage or an Anglicization of the local term. I would also note that consensus is neither a question of numbers or of ignoring good rationales if inconvenient, it is the argument which best reflects policy and sources that provides the basis for continued editing. If edit warring continues after protection lapses then the article can be indef protected until a consensus emerges. LessHeard vanU (talk) 19:46, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- I do not see the sense in what you have done. There have been no edit wars on this article for a long time, the most recent struggle largely involved me and a user who was hopping IPs to push a POV that lessened the significance of the Macedonian language during the Yugoslav period. Put simply, an anonymous user was behaving disruptively and making edits while refusing the discuss issues. The matter was dealt with by Rodhullandemu who protected the page for a month allowing established users to contribute. Now none of us can touch the page, and for what? Have I missed something? User:Evlekis (Евлекис) 20:01, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
- Its a mistake, I've told Less about it. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
srb
why do you put Kosovo as a state. Kosovo is not recognized country and it never will be. Kosovo has always been. is, and will remain Serbian --Пејковић Филип (talk) 10:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Edit request from Fablemaniac, 7 June 2010
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Kosovo is not a country yet. Please fix it.
fablemaniac-The Greatest Of All Heroes (talk) 09:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- The article never says it is, as far as I can see. Algebraist 10:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Chetniks vs. Partisans
This article states that the Chetniks were a 'collaborationist Axis-supplied' force. This is the point of view of Tito's late regime and is almost entirely false. Yugoslavia had a three cornered-war between nationalists, communists and invaders, much as China did. This section should be re-written to show what actually happened, not just reprint communist libels.