Talk:Weather of 2009

WP:BIAS

i made an edit removing (at least some of) the reflection of the English wikipedia systemic bias in the first sentence and the headings. To people previously unaware of this, please do not be offended. Systemic bias does not imply that any individual editor is deliberately biased. See WP:BIAS for details. Concretely:

most of the section headings referred to the country/region, except those for the USA (and in one case, PRChina) - the unintended bias was that unlabelled regions "obviously" refer to the USA or North America;
the lead paragraph referred to worldwide rather than northern hemisphere winter storms, but i don't see any listing of Argentinian, Chilean, Australian, South African, etc. storms in late-winter-2009, i.e. July/August 2009. Moreover, it would be unreasonable to split southern hemisphere winter storms into: late-winter-2009 plus early-winter-2010, late-winter-2010 plus early-winter-2011, etc. This is why i added "northern hemisphere" to the definition.

Boud (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fork: December 2009 North American snowstorms

Is this article a fork? Green Cardamom (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Snow event

Looks like another event is lining up for tonight and tomorrow. -Marcusmax(speak) 04:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 30-January 3

Is this the same system that went on to affect Atlantic Canada? If so it's probably notable enough to deserve it's own article as it killed three people, and caused major damage in the region. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/01/04/storm-maritimes.html For more info. --156.34.66.156 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Iv'e added it.--86.29.137.162 (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

August?

Why is an August rainstorm in California in this article? I'm removing it to here:

===August===

====August 21-28====

A stream of moisture that emerged from the Gulf of California brought rain to Southern California. The result of the rain was some areas was a flash flood warning being issued for Central and Eastern San Diego County. Later on, the system moved north and started to move towards the east coast on Sunday, August the 23rd. The remaining thunderstorms lingered around in Central and Eastern San Diego County until Friday, August the 28th before finally moving towards the east coast.

Zaslav (talk) 07:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

October-November storms?

What bearing do these fall storms have that i assume brought no snow to the country. Mind you i believe the article is focused on storms from dec2009-feb2010, more importantly, the weather conditions currently affecting most of the globe. And there should be more than just a timeline of events in an article such as this, we already have three seperate articles for each region affected with sufficent timeline, i think its safe to say (though yet to be proven for i have not researched any reports) that the weather in north america, europe, and asia are somewhat related. Also the title winter storms should somehow specify the northern hemisphere. I live in the northern hemisphere and i also assume that people in the southern hemisphere do not refer to the time we call winter as winter, as the season is more appropriately summer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.138.221 (talk) 05:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Location

--86.29.131.38 (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noted and adhered to, mate!--86.29.137.162 (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Realy?--82.11.87.100 (talk) 12:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's globalizing in 2010.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 11:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The end?

It looks as if the storms will be over or unoteworthy by March the 1st at this rate.--86.29.137.162 (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Asia!

I will be moving some Asian stuff soon.--86.29.139.254 (talk) 17:49, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't panic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm moving a lot over to East Asian snowstorms of 2009-2010. --86.29.128.178 (talk) 04:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

D.P.2!

I'm merging alot, hold in there chaps!--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 19:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current lead

The second paragraph in the lead needs to be rewritten. The assertion in the paragraph is that everything from August to the present, and across all of China, the Pacific, and all of North America is one huge continuous storm, which is ridiculous. The whole paragraph is completely unsourced as well, except for the Australian Heat wave (which I removed, since it's obviously not a Winter event. It's Summer down there right now, you know.)
— V = I * R (Talk • Contribs) 05:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Australia is in the south, but so is Argentina, so I got rid of them to.--86.29.132.169 (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oct 15-18 Northeast US

It brought snow to the northeast, all the way down to the NYC suburbs. Wondering if it's noteworthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.21.185 (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC) Yes it is!--86.29.143.6 (talk) 09:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It can only be added if you have a reference, for example a news article link. ~A H 1^(TCU) 01:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, didn't notice it was already in the article. ~A H 1^(TCU) 01:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Add to

Possibly put these back?--86.29.142.120 (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

August 21–28

A stream of moisture that emerged from the Gulf of California brought rain to Southern California. A flash flood warning was issued for Central and Eastern San Diego County as a result of the rain. Later on, the system moved north and started to move towards the east coast on Sunday, August 23. The remaining thunderstorms lingered around in Central and Eastern San Diego County until Friday, August 28 before finally moving towards the east coast.

September 2 and 4

A heavy and rainy cyclone hit the Bering sea, Choris Peninsula and parts of the Aleutian islands on September 2. A heavy storm hit parts of the Beaufort Sea and parts of the Chukchi Sea on September 4. --86.29.142.120 (talk) 01:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting off

I'm splitting off some stuff to other articles.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 12:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 02:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BIAS

i made an edit removing (at least some of) the reflection of the English wikipedia systemic bias in the first sentence and the headings. To people previously unaware of this, please do not be offended. Systemic bias does not imply that any individual editor is deliberately biased. See WP:BIAS for details. Concretely:

most of the section headings referred to the country/region, except those for the USA (and in one case, PRChina) - the unintended bias was that unlabelled regions "obviously" refer to the USA or North America;
the lead paragraph referred to worldwide rather than northern hemisphere winter storms, but i don't see any listing of Argentinian, Chilean, Australian, South African, etc. storms in late-winter-2009, i.e. July/August 2009. Moreover, it would be unreasonable to split southern hemisphere winter storms into: late-winter-2009 plus early-winter-2010, late-winter-2010 plus early-winter-2011, etc. This is why i added "northern hemisphere" to the definition.

Boud (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location

--86.29.131.38 (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noted and adhered to, mate!--86.29.137.162 (talk) 16:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Realy?--82.11.87.100 (talk) 12:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's globalizing in 2010.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 11:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting off

I'm splitting off some stuff to other articles.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 12:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article has a really stupid name

I note some reference to it in the Discussion, but not enough to see any coherence. Can't be bothered looking back through all the history.

Guess what? Despite the apparent ignorance of some editors, half the world has seasons at opposite times to the other half. The title can ONLY apply to the northern hemisphere, yet the seventh word in the article says worldwide.

Time for a move!

(Sorry about what might be seen as an absence of good faith, but seeing such ignorance (or arrogance?) on display in an article that must be about facts makes me very angry)

HiLo48 (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not arrogant, but true. Guatemala is in the north, just.--82.11.87.100 (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prehaps it should be renamed or given a new intro? It's being talked about?-- --82.11.87.100 (talk) 12:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame if the data is lost. Re-name it 'Winter(NH)/Summer(SH) storms'. --82.11.87.100 (talk) 13:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The location of Guatemala is not relevant to my point. The issue is that the title and the seventh word of the lead are clearly talking about different things. In the southern hemisphere 2009–2010 includes parts of two different winters. My impression is that some editors don't even realise this. HiLo48 (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A rename is needed!--86.29.72.241 (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Call it 'Storm activaty of July 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010'?. Add a new Argentine huricane page. --Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Split it, it's 200kb long.--86.24.25.55 (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The world's finance leaders (clever as they are) might see some value in reporting over financial years, but the world's weather authorities don't. Why should we? If it's going to cover a 12 month period, it should be a calendar year. If it's a shorter period, OK, just list the dates, but DON'T use a term that's meaningful in only one part of the world, like the current one. HiLo48 (talk) 19:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can solve both the nameing and splitting debtes soon. I'm chewing it over. It will be hopfuly sorted June 21st.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 10:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to hear your ideas here. There are many problems which a lot of editors have either contributed to or ignored. We start off with heavy rain in the Ukraine on 1st July. That's the height of summer there, but our title says Winter! We're now talking about storms in Poland THIS month, again in summer. We have mention of Argentina and Peru, in summer in the Southern Hemisphere, again in contradiction with the title. There don't seem to be any winter storms from the Southern Hemisphere. It's a mess! What is it really meant to be about? And what's the point of the financial year time span? HiLo48 (talk) 11:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting in to 2, 6 month sections would end the Kb size problem and lead to a different name. I'm thinking of names still.Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

'July 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010' was the date covered since the page's 2006-07 predecessor was born all those years back and it appears to have stuck. How they got that date I don't know, but the page's successors has developed a lot since then. It was once wintery (ie-snowy) storms in the Americas, went to Winter (ie-Winter time) northern hemisphere storms until this year, when I and a couple of others took it to the whole north, not just the major nations (if you can have France, why not Nepal?). Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for globalizing it, well, that's OK. I'm thinking of a South American storm page. The dust storms, huricans and floods in South America are horrific.

--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it derived its name from another badly named, originally US-centric article, that one needs to be fixed too. And I think you will find that the world's major weather authorities categorise weather events by calendar years. Weather, of course, doesn't care about human calendars all that much. We must. So let's use real calendar years like the experts do. HiLo48 (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, calendar years for all, or if it's over 100kb, 6 months split down the middle of the year?--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the lead in is daft. Since when have Haiti, Italy, Bangladesh, Guam or Guatemala bin in the south? I have corrected Guatemala and Guam. The Others will follow.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (User talk:Snow storm in Eastern Asia talk) 19:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Haiti and Italy were listed in the table not the intro to. Haiti's missed off 69 dead are now on the fatalities' list.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 19:46, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--86.29.67.4 (talk) 10:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
--86.29.67.4 (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bukel my shoe!--86.29.67.4 (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cuthert, Tibbels, grub! --86.29.67.4 (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New name

The frist change is that the next page will be called 'Global storm activity of 2010 ' and containe all the 2010 stuff on this page and this page will soon become 'Global storm activity of late 2009'. --Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Global storm activity of late 2009 will occer in time when it takes over stuff that moves from 2008-2009. The others will stay unchanged since 2006-07 is so empty it's not worth creating a 2006 page and, like 2007-2008, is pretty much wintery and NH wither time. I'm cutting from 255kb to 155kb.--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's under way. Give me until the 21st and it will be sorted!--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted!!!--82.2.73.14 (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, thanks for taking the effort to reorganize these articles. However, the original articles focused mainly on winter storms, so these new articles will need to include flooding events as well that are not associated with winter storms, so they could get rather extensive. Are you going to include tornadoes, from tornadoes of 2010, tornadoes of 2009, etc? What about the global tropical cyclone seasons, such as the 2010 Pacific hurricane season? The main problem is that winter storms typically span two years in the northern hemisphere and one year in the southern hemisphere, so the original articles tended to focus on the northern hemisphere, while the lead sections discussed summer-type non-tropical storms primarily, and other associated weather events. The deaths table is a bit WP:OR, but it would benefit from individual embedded citations that are likely already used earlier in the article, so you would use ref name tags. As for "Argentine hurricanes", I don't think they've occurred, but storms in the South Atlantic are already discussed at South Atlantic tropical cyclone. I will get to doing a cleanup of these articles in the coming days and weeks. In the meantime, you might want to consider joining WikiProject Non-tropical storms. Thanks. ~A H 1^(TCU) 02:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bon Crichton?--213.81.122.5 (talk) 16:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]