Talk:Motor capacitor

This article was nominated for deletion on 25 September 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

I don't know how to use this, so let me just leave a note for editors here: the links at the bottom are 100% pure spam. I clicked through hoping to read some more about ac motor capacitors and got to colored pages selling capacitors...it looks terrible on an encyclopedia to allow stuff like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.6.8.191 (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read the above comment about the links at the bottom being "pure spam". I have just stumbled upon this article while trying to learn more about the characteristics and differences between start and run capacitors. There are currently two links of five which this quote can be talking about. One is the Best Buy Heating and Air Conditioning link, strangely on a page of a 45+5 mfd dual run capacitor. The page is very informative and the only link I can Google on the web regarding the wiring of the capacitors (herm, c, fan terminals). The other link I see here is from Arnold Service and the best I can find on the web regarding swapping values for capacitors, i.e., the unacceptability of replacing a capacitor of 440V with one of 370V, which is not obvious considering the line voltage is typically 240V and one would assume this is ok. Although the pricing on both references for their capacitors is at the high end of retail, the information contained is highly informative. I would prefer to have a more authoritative source and not a commercial one, but until then, these statements are essential for a confused reader trying to understand the basic information about using these capacitors in their typical applications. I hope this article is greatly expanded as the information it contains is almost impossible to Google due to what I would describe as the HVAC good-ole-boy network trying to keep basic information out of the hands of inquiring minds. Example: The $67 USD capacitor Best Buy Heating and Air Comnditioning linked to has a trade price to “technicians” of under $7.00 USD (if you can manage to get into "trade price" sites) and is available for about $22 on the Arnold site and the only parts store in my large city selling it to the public. It would typically cost about $130 if installed by a “technician”, though I’ve read on complaint boards about abuses going up to $500 for parts of trade costs all well under $15. The technician will have already charged for a service call to diagnose the problem (about $100). The referenced $130 is simply to swap out the part after a customer has paid for their diagnostic expertise – which in my case is no more than a 30 second job – so essentially it is the price of the $7.00 part after an already expensive service call. Prices will obviously vary in different markets for “technician” costs and it is not obligatory for “technicians” to be trained by compressor/motor manufacturers, just to take an unregulated course and apply for a state license which does little to insure the “technician” will act honorably by replacing the correct part rather than doing something an inquiring mind cannot audit using a neutral source like Wikipedia. I have never contributed to this article and wish a better developed and more authoritative article could be made on start/run capacitors as this one is still very weak but the best I can find. The Louisiana course link is the only non-commercial link and the source cited by them is a refrigeration handbook (1988). Hopefully that book could be further referenced directly for this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.119.63 (talk) 13:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Created

The article "Motor capacitor" was created on 24-Sep-2008 by long-term user Wikid77, by paraphrasing 4 sources but inserting reference footnotes to support the text. It is separate from the general article for "capacitor" to allow defining 7 related terms as redirected titles in the top lede section: dual capacitor, run capacitor, start capacitor, dual run capacitor, round dual run capacitor, and oval dual run capacitor. Those terms are specialized types of capacitors that are treated as a sub-category of applied capacitor technology. No other article on Wikipedia had described those types of capacitors, and they involve specialized details not applicable to other capacitors. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: The first 2 revisions of the article both have history edit-summaries stating they are the "created" original, due to temporary wikiserver problems ("Wikimedia Foundation error") during a whole hour, which made the 2nd revision seem to be the first creation of the article. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have decided to NOT define redirection titles for "round dual run capacitor" and "oval dual run capacitor" because both titles had only about 200 Google hits, and readers could find them by wiki-search. So those will be 2 less of the current 2.6 million (2,563,483) Wikipedia articles. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article about motor capacitors not motors

The article was tagged for possible deletion, using "{{dated prod}}", on 2008-09-24 at 17:23, for the reason:

"Already covered at AC motor#Capacitor start motor and AC motor#Permanent split-capacitor motor. Some material here might better be added to AC motor."

However, the article is NOT about motors, but rather capacitors outside those motors: no detailed description of various motors is included, since the focus is the capacitors rated by microfarads and voltage. The common word used is "start" as in the term "start capacitor" rather than "start motor" as appears in the other article, "AC motor". -Wikid77 (talk) 18:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

24-Sep-2008: I have untagged the article for deletion, based on the above explanation that the article subject is about "capacitors" not "motors that use capacitors" as described in the other article. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AfD debate requests wider scope

26-Sep-2008: The article was tagged for "AfD" (article for deletion) at 04:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC). The discussion included concerns that the text in the article was focused too much on HVAC issues, with several reference sources related to HVAC sales websites. There is a very wide variety of motors that use various capacitors, and the article should be expanded to cover those details. The intent of the article has been to provide wide coverage of the subject, but also address concerns of general readers, such as the use of capacitors in A/C compressors or ceiling fans, focused on the role of the capacitors in those systems. -Wikid77 (talk) 22:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unit of capacity?

In the text, mfd is used as a unit for capacity, equalling microfarads. Why can't the official µF unit be used here (µ mu being prefix for a millionth, F being Farad, the unit for capacity)? (ArticCynda (talk) 22:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]