Talk:Militant atheism

militant atheism. aka one of the last hopes for a world based on reason and rational thought instead of idolatry and superstition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.212.223 (talk) 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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(inserted for readability Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 17:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC))

I am concerned of the presentation of non-believers on wikipedia overall. The anti-theism page has long arguments of people trying to get references to violence on the page. This page is despite the short "concerns" section largely devoted to describe "militant atheism" bordering on the atrocities of stalinism with multiple links of persecutions of christians features in the article.

Yet one cannot find references to the atrocities committed by christians in the main pages on Christianity.

I have the very strong impression that the presentation of non-believers is NPOV in the sense that the old stereotype that non-believers are heritics, evil, infidels and not worthy is perpetuated and that they are intentionally linked to violence and harm that is only mildly associated, such as stalinism.

If the notion of wikipedia is to put the atrocities of each group on the front page, then that should be consistent and the persecution of non-believers in religions should be featured as prominently as the persecution of christians in stalinism and maoism is featured here. It muddles atheism and the general dogma-inducing tendencies of Stalin and Mao. Stalin and Mao prosecuted every group that would not convert to their dogma, including atheists in opposition, such as Trotzky. Yet there is a narrative being pushed that tries to paint stalinism as a primarily anti-religious pogrom, primarily to paint criticism of religion in a negative light.

For example numerous christian apologist have tried to link Dawkins criticism of religion to Stalinism, which is ludicrous. That feel is very much implied in this article when soviet "militant atheism" and Dawkins appear in the very same sentence!

Also there is no page on militant christinity, militant islam, militant hinduism etc, clearly singling out atheism as militant. However studies show that in the US the rate of violent crime is among the lowest among unbelievers. This isn't a fix for this page but there is a larger overhaul needed that levels this out. Frankly I think the word militant atheism is very questionable and deserves less of a wikipedia entry than say militant islamists (which incidentally does not exist and is redirected to islamic terror, which is not well related).

If it was me I'd simply remove the article. The notion of "militant atheism" isn't interesting and distinct enough to "anti-theism" to warrant a separate page, but there is a lot of information here that may be worth merging. Non-believers have very scattered labels and perhaps the whole topic needs to be reorganised. For example anti-theism and "militant atheism" could be a subsection to secular humanism, or to non-believers etc. 141.213.171.19 (talk)

This article is a POV pushing piece full of OR and SYN. I will support a deletion or merging the notable parts into anti-theism.--LexCorp (talk) 18:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I support a deletion or merge into the antitheism page. I'd also like to address another issue, while we are on the topic of antitheism; why is it that anti-atheism redirects the reader to the page Criticisms of Atheisms, but antitheism doesn't redirect you to the page Criticisms of Theism? Further, why in the world isn't there even a PAGE with the topic Criticisms of Theism?! This whole thing stinks to high hell of POV.

Issues that should be reconciled: 1. A deletion or merge of Militant Atheism to the Antitheism page 2. If that can't be done than I suggest a creation of a Militant Christianity, Militant Islam etc page, it is not difficult to find examples 3. The creation of a Crtiticisms of Theism page, I'm most surprised that this page doesn't even exist at the moment! 4. Out of fairness for all parties involved, and in the pursuit of great justice, if items 2 and 3 are not addressed and remedied I support a deletion of the pages Militant Atheism AND Antitheism. I mean, what is this? Conservapedia?! Azz from oz (talk) 04:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH maybe. WP have an article on Link but not on Red link. The article adds "militant" to the valid topic of Atheism, why is there no Peaceful atheism? I'll put the article on my observation list. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 17:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Haha, oh wow. You guys are terrible. This article is encyclopedia worthy, imho. Or at least the topic is. Beam 05:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Please stay civil. Also if you look at the talk archive you will find that this is not exactly a new problem. --Saddhiyama (talk) 08:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami described in Chaitanya-charitamrita Adi 6.38:

‘chaitanya-mangala’ shune yadi pashandi, yavana

seha maha-vaishnava haya tatakshana

If even a great atheist hears Shri Chaitanya-mangala (previous name for Shri Chaitanya-bhagavata), he immediately becomes a great devotee.

So all the great atheists which comprise of 99.99% of the world’s population can become maha-vaishnavas if they get the supreme good fortune of reading this book. Thus in my personal opinion, when this book is published and distributed in mass quantities all over the world, it will break open the gates of the flood of the love of Godhead brought by Lord Chaitanya and His associates and will hasten the advent of the predicted Golden Age in all its glory.