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I'm not sure where to put this, but I know that a form of "storge" was used in the New Testament - 2 Timothy 3:3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.42.205.38 (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Top section

Can we find a more culturally philosophically neutral text for the top section? What is love? There are millions who believe very firmly that it is incorrect to say that love is an emotion, or a feeling. There's much good stuff in this article but it's undermined, I think, by the top section. My own opinion is, the shorter the better. Something as mysterious, and as fundamental to the human condition as love needs a much more open and unbiased treatment, especially in the top section. Any suggestions? Oliver Low (talk) 00:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After a little mulling, I think perhaps the best top section is going to be something very little, almost nothing, e.g: "Love is..." and leave it at that, going straight on to the contents and then the definitions section, which is quite good. Oliver Low (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.230.243 (talk) 01:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Skytalk (talk) 14:16, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of love is me and this extremely amazing girl named julia lago. i love her with all my heart <3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.124.62 (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New Suggestions

addition of the text urdu/hindustani uses the word asik in the same meaning , however ishq (eee-sh-k) a word derived from the turkish word is used widely. there is hindi movie by name ishq, Its also a very widely used word in indian cinema to decribe love.


I'd like to see in the Christian section the point made that God's love for the true believers is the originator of their love for Him, 1 John 4:19 "19 We love him, because he first loved us." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.123.250 (talk) 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I am cancelling this edit-semi request for now, and taking discussion to the users talk page, re. referencing, WP:OR, and other issues.  Chzz  ►  22:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We think the page can be improved by clarifying the status of romantic love as either a part of human nature or a cultural artifact. We suggest the following additions:

In place of "Some historians date modern conceptions of romantic love to courtly Europe during or after the Middle Ages, although the prior existence of romantic attachments is attested by ancient love poetry.[5]", we suggest the following:

Some historians trace modern conceptions of romantic love to the conquest of the Arabs in Spain, from whence it was carried on by the troubadours from France and Spain to the rest of courtly Europe during the Middle Ages. However, other historians claim that love is universal, appearing across time. For example, ancient Greek poets such as Catullus wrote many poems expressing romantic love. According to this view, romantic love isn’t the product of Western Culture as the other historians claim; rather, every culture in the world has some form of romantic love. This is also supported by recent anthropological studies, which claim that love didn’t start from one particular culture, and it is instead a part of human nature. Love must be natural, one study found, because it is possible to find some types of romantic love in all cultures studied by anthropologists.

The citation for this claim is here: Goleman, Daniel. "After Kinship and Marriage, Anthropology Discovers Love." Science New York Times. November 24, 1992. March 9th, 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/24/science/after-kinship-and-marriage-anthropology-discovers-love.html?pagewanted=1

That can also be used as the citation for the following addition, which would serve as an introduction to the section "cultural views."

Most anthropologists agree that love is a natural event; something that can be found all cultures around the world. The definition of love, however, depends on the culture; in every culture there are different traditions, laws, and norms surrounding love. Love can have different meanings that are more or less powerful depending on the language used by that culture. Also, the value of love and the role of love changes depending on the culture. Marriage, for example, happens for different reasons in various cultures: in some cultures, it is the norm for people to marry out of love, and in others, it is more regular for people to marry for economic support or even political alliance. So, even though love can be found everywhere throughout time and throughout the world, it is viewed, experienced, and valued differently everywhere.

We felt that the subject of homosexual love could also be added to several of the individual cultures involved. Here are our additions to the various cultures:

Homosexual love also appears in ancient Greek history through its mythology. In one story, Zeus had an affair with a young mortal boy named Ganymede. That Zeus, the most powerful and important God, commits the act of homosexuality, can be interpreted as representing general acceptance towards homosexual relationships in Greek society. (Mia Gibson. "Ganymede" Encyclopedia Mythica. 13 March 1997. 8 March 2010 accessed (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/ganymede.html)

Many interpretations agree that committing the act of homosexual love is an egregious sin in the Christian religion. One story often cited is that of Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities God had sent angels to examine. When they discovered that the people there wanted to engage in homosexual intercourse, God destroyed the cities.

In the Hindu tradition, there are ancient texts which tell of certain circumstances in which homosexual love was allowed. Its practice may take the form of Auparishtaka, or oral sex, which is possible to perform as a hetero- or a homo-sexual. In modern times, however, this practice is more often shunned. (http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/hinduism.htm)

Finally, we thought that the section on chemical and evolutionary perspectives should be expanded and clarified.

After the first paragraph in the "chemical basis" section, we would suggest this addition: "This three-stage concept probably evolved because it was advantageous to develop initial attraction, an intense period of mating, and then a reason to stay together for long enough to rear the child beyond infancy."

In order to clarify the importance of dopamine in love, we think the following should be added after the discussion of the chemicals involved: "When in the attraction stage, a person can be infatuated, or “addicted” to their love. This is due to the release of dopamine, which is the major neurotransmitter involved in addiction in drugs such as cocaine. Since the presence of dopamine brings feelings of reward and happiness, the lover subconsciously craves more dopamine and pursues more and more of his or her lover. This infatuation is often depicted in literature as an addiction or a sickness; for example, Shakespeare often portrayed love in this manner." (for citation, see Sonnet 147: "my love as a fever longing still") (for the addiction point, see Nature Reviews Neuroscience 7, 86 (February 2006))

We thought the relationship of oxytocin should be clarified as well, when it is mentioned, with the following addition: "...which is related to feelings of safety and comfort." (citation at http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/30/health/he-attraction30)

We think that some of these should be adapted, even if not all of them are deemed appropriate.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecole1910 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 15 March 2010

May I ask, who is "we"? User accounts should not represent a group or organization, and should only be used by one person. Regarding the changes, I'll let someone who understands these things better to make them ;)  fetchcomms☛ 15:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I am not convinced that the reference(s) provided assert the facts; for example, the article in NY Times does not mention (on any of the 3 pages) either Arabs, Spain, Franceor Catullus; therefore, some of this seems like original research.  Chzz  ►  22:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 171.66.83.132, 21 April 2010

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The sentence "Studies have shown that brain scans of those infatuated by love display a resemblance to those with a mental illness." should be made

Studies have shown that brain scans of those infatuated by love display a resemblance to those with a mental illness, thus supporting to the notion "I'm mad about you".

171.66.83.132 (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cute, but I fail to see how it's really encyclopedic.
 Not done Avicennasis @ 02:57, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SO. OMG, HE WAS LIKE OMG. OH OMG. THAT IS LOVE. OMGGG.!!!LKOIFGHR;KT OMG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.121.244 (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we stop feeling love

Gratitude is the one thing that most people who feel a low sense of self-worth lack. If you can look outside your own world, and see how good you really have it, you will feel much more like your life is a worthwhile thing. If you don't have a terminal illness, have had something to eat today, have a bed to sleep in tonight... materially speaking you have it better than 70% of all the people in the whole world. If you're reading this on your own computer, you're better off than about 90% of everyone.Mandos12 (talk) 05:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)mandos12Mandos12 (talk) 05:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 82.12.218.166, 17 May 2010

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The Rules of Love - Richard Templer http://www.foyles.co.uk/display.asp?ISB=9780273720256&

What about them? —fetch·comms 22:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change of Ref 12 (NGF and Romantic Love) to actual Ref tag PMID 16289361

{{editsemiprotected}} Reference 12 ("Raised plasma nerve growth factor levels associated with early-stage romantic love." Emanuele E. et al.)

should change from the current reference on biopsychiatry.com (arguably a secondary source as an "aggregator - and not what I'd call an totally unbiased one), to

<reference tag> <journal citation tag> |author=Emanuele, E |coauthor=Polliti, P.; Bianchi, M.; Minoretti, P.; Bertona, M.; & Geroldi, D |title=Raised plasma nerve growth factor levels associated with early-stage romantic love. |journal=Psychoneuroendocrinology. |volume=31 |issue=3 |month=April |year=2006 |pages=65288–294 |doi=10.1016/j.psyneuen.2005.09.002 |PMID=16289361}}


No, I have no idea how WP's markup works.. CODE doesn't suppress interpretation of the markup, as I'd expect (instead of only changing the font)

Love: Under-estimated and Used Poorly

To tell the truth, there is no specific definition for love. The many definitions used include: "a strong feeling or emotion for someone and attachment"... but some people may not think of love as a feeling or emotion nor attachment. Then there is: "liking someone strongly and having a feeling never felt before for anyone else"... which is clearly different. It actually all depends. Sexual relationships may vary. If someone was homosexual, their definition of love may be VERY different to someone who is straight. And someone who is polyamorous may think differently than someone who feels love for items and not humans or other living organisms. Love could just be a creative word we use poorly! EX: "I love him so much".. "how long have you been dating?".. "two days".. "I love her so much. When we kiss, I feel a spark. When I see her, I get butterflies. And when we hug...I only see her." "I LOVE YOU, DRAKE! YOU'RE THE BEST STAR IN THE WORLD! YOU'RE SUPER CUTE! I LOVE YOU SOOOO MUCH!" As you can see ^^ There is no specific... and this whole POST is entirely wrong. In conclusion, love has NO SPECIFIC DEFINITION. It varies on the eye of the beholder! I would have to strongly disagree with anyone who thinks love can be written in definition... Possibly, love might not even be a thing. 69.138.69.0 (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)JazzyD.[reply]

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