User talk:Alan Liefting

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What is going on?

I just got a message from you today saying my article was marked for speedy deletion, but it is already gone before I have a chance to respond? And NO my article is NOT a repost of the previously deleted article. Yes there was an article on this subject about a year ago that got deleted. I had nothing to do with that. MY article was VERY well sourced and meets the criteria for notabilty and inclusion. Having it deleted before I can even respond is outrageous.Willbennett2007 (talk) 04:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You claim in your message to me that my comments are desired, but then delete within less than 24 hours? That is ridiculous. And I have seen NOTHING from you that would counter the many sources I had for that article. You simply saying 'it does not meet criteria' is entirely inadequate. How about you put the article BACK and let a free and open discussion happen? How about you counter the many sources I put up?Willbennett2007 (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I initially put it up for AfD as you can see, but then decided it was a candidate for speedy deletion. Speedy deletions happen within a very short space of time hence the qualifier "speedy" so obviously not all editors get a chance to contest it with the {{hangon}} tag. I could not check what the contents of the previous version of the page was since I am not an admin. Also, only admins can reinstate a deleted page. I suggest you ask for a deletion review.

As for my short message of "Does not meet notability guidelines" in the Afd I feel that it was adequate.

I am sure you do feel it was adequate. But I do not. You don't think you need to explain WHY? I worked very hard on that article and found over 25 independent sources that verify that subject meets the notability criteria. In fact that subject meets it far better than these wikiarticles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rouse_III http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_McCorduck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_E._Crowe

I gave sources from universities using the subjects works, independent journalists referencing the subject, I did everything the Wikipedia guidelines dictate and gave far more sources than most similar articles. Willbennett2007 (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The messages on your talk page were generated automatically by Twinkle. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your article is, at the time of posting this message, still available in the Google cache --Epipelagic (talk) 06:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was not my article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my error. I meant to post that message on Willbennett's page, not here. --Epipelagic (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I WITHDRAW my request for undelete. I took the time to email the subject of the article, and he asked not to be included on Wikipedia. He did not elaborate as to why.

From what I can see anyone can delete even an article with 30 sources, while other articles, that have few or even no third party sources can remain. So my confidence in the reliability of Wikipedia information has been seriously undermined.Willbennett2007 (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replies to comments raised above:

Anyone can suggest that an article should be deleted but it is only admins who can delete an article.
Having sources does not necessarily mean an article will not be deleted. Not all sources are accepted by Wikipedia as reliable. Also, notability is the most important rationale for articles on WP

OK maybe I have some things to learn about Wikipedia. I was trying to contribute an article on an author that I thought was notable. If I was wrong then so be it. Perhaps you can help me on another matter. I don't know how to recommend an article for deletion so I went to the discussion portion of a page I think should be deleted and expressed my reasons. Perhaps you can check it out and weigh in with your own opinion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Robert_Slade#How_does_one_recommend_deletion.3F

Willbennett2007 (talk) 01:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first two bio articles mentioned above look to be of marginable notabiliy at first glance. The third is a professor and is therefore of some notability.
It is because of the vigilance of WP editors that WP is becoming increasingly reliable. Deletion of an article about anon-notable person does not decrease the reliability of information on WP. Over the six years that I have been on WP I have seen it become an increasingly reliable and robust source of information.
Requests for undeletion are made at WP:DRV. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So your rationale is that an author of 11 books that have been translated into multiple languages, and are used at multiple universities is not notable, but a professor at a university is?? Really?76.183.110.116 (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability cannot be compared between number of books written and holder of a position as professor. That is not a call that can be made - they are quite separate things. An article has to meet the various notability guidelines, of which there a quite a number. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I am trying to understand this before I do any other articles. I found an author of 11 books that have been translated into multiple languages and used world wided. I cited several universities (including major ones like Auburn) that use this authors textbooks. I even cited Kent State teaching the network security quantifying method this guy invented. I also cited multiple journal articles about the person or his books, and six pages of google scholar results where other people in his field reference his work. But all of that was not notable enough? I would think Wikipedia simply had very high standards, where it not for the fact that I can easily cite a half dozen LESS notable authors with wikipedia articles. So I am trying to find out why this one got deleted. And no one has given me any answer other than 'well I did not think he was notable'. No, the subject of my article was not an Einstein, Hawking, etc. But neither are most of the subjects of wikipedia articles. Before I spend a lot of time on any other article, I would really like to know what the problem with this article was?

Oh, and btw the subject of this article is also an instructor at a college, and that was also sourced and in my article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Willbennett2007 (talk • contribs) 22:12, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted because it did not meet the notability guidelines. The things that the person did were not notable enough for WP. The admin who deleted it agreed with me and the deletion review concluded that deletion was appropriate. Unfortunately, I cannot see a copy of the deleted article so I cannot give any feedback on specific points. Incidentally, I put Pamela McCorduck, one of the articles that you had previously mentioned, up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pamela McCorduck. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 22:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]