User talk:Justice and Arbitration

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Genocide of Germans in Eastern Europe

You're right: I didn't notice. I checked the talk page, saw no responses and decided to add it without looking too far down the list. I've reversed my edit now. Your version had a broader range of estimates, so it's the more useful. Thanks for your help on that! Epa101 (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a small adjustment to your section just now. Rummel called the events "genocide" as well as "democide": you can see that the entire figure for the period is in both columns on this table. Hope that's all right. Epa101 (talk) 11:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars and disasters by death toll: Mexican Revolution

As per your logic, I think the Iran–Iraq War should be removed from the list as well, as the estimate casualties vaties between and 400,000 and 2,000,000. On the other hand, I do believe the 500,000 estimate for the Mexican revolution is too low, and the most widely accepted estimate is of at least 1 Million.

In a related topic, I think the Battle of Tuyuti (Triple Aliance War) and the Battle of Celaya (Mexican Revolution) should be added to the list of bloodiest battles, as each of them had more than 10,000 casualties and have been the bloodiest battles ever fought in South America and North America respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 16:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about the Iran-Iraq War, but I was not the one who put it on the list there. The lowest estimate for the Mexican Revolution is also bellow 1 million ("conservatively estimated at half a million", Peter Calvert, Mexico, 1973) [1], so I think one needs to at least place all other conflicts that had more deaths first.--Justice and Arbitration (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dirty War

If argentina's Dirty War classifies as a genocide, I think the period of the Colombian history known as "La Violencia" (1948-1962) would also classify, as both were cases of governments trying to get rid of its political opponents. Death estimates for La Violencia violence range between 200,000 and 300,000. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm#Violencia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.198 (talk) 23:56, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You have a point there. La Violencia even has a larger death toll. However, what historians define it as genocide? I have trouble finding any. In case of Dirty War, we at least have indictments and binding verdicts defining it as genocide, though it remains a disputed matter.[2]. But even that gives it more credibility for defining it as genocide than a conflict that does not have anything defning it as such. We have Victoria Sanford, but she refers to a different La Violencia, in Guatemala.[3]. We must be careful about such things - we can not just label a conflict a genocide just like that. It has to be labeled by experts, historians, lawyers, not by us. --Justice and Arbitration (talk) 12:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a source referring to Colombia as a genocidal society and drawing paralelisms with Turkey and Uganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another source: Encyclopedia of Genocide.