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Deletion of Allen Technologies page

Quite by accident, I learned the ATI page had issues over the weekend. It would have been helpful to be notified. I tried to correct these issues, but the more I tried (adding citations, more info, etc.), the worse things seemed to get. I think it started with one Wikipedia issue and the last time it had four. The whole process was very frustrating.

On the talk page, prior to deletion, one of the editors wrote something to the effect, If ATI can be shown to be the first company to provide an interactive tv in a hospital setting then it might meet the notable criteria. Since this occurred 15+ years ago, I couldn't find an independent source confirming the statement. ATI's Founder was on vacation and I could not reach him over the weekend. I got the email below from him this morning:

 * ATI was the first company to provide interactive TV in healthcare I will look for some stuff .  We also sent the first E-mail to the patient bedside.

Is there any chance of getting the page re-instated or am I wasting my time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.77.195.190 (talk) 14:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you could email me at (email redacted) it would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.77.195.190 (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please note above regarding communication by email rather than talk page, but I'll be happy to discuss it with you here. The article was deleted because it didn't assert notability. Notability is not being a "first". Rather, it is significant coverage in reliable sources not affiliated with the subject. If there is significant coverage of this company in reliable sources, it's appropriate for us to have an article on it. If there's not, it's not appropriate for one. The distinction is very simple.
That aside, it appears a strong likelihood that you work for the company. We very strongly discourage editors from editing articles on subjects they are closely affiliated with—friends, family members, and, yes, employers. If you would like, however, please feel free to suggest any sources that exist, and I'll be happy to take a look at them. If an appropriate article can be written from them, I can certainly help you do that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of CTVAA

Why you deleted the CTVAA article ? Can I learn the problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.182.64.189 (talk) 06:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I provide some further clarifications of deletion reasons here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion attempt

‘chaitanya-mangala’ shune yadi pashandi, yavana seha maha-vaishnava haya tatakshana If even a great atheist hears Shri Chaitanya-mangala (previous name for Shri Chaitanya-bhagavata), he immediately becomes a great devotee.

Nope, sorry, I'm still an atheist. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man, you have a bad destination. So, here is some for you to wake up: "Anyone who does not float in this inundation is most condemned. Such a person cannot be delivered for millions of kalpas. PURPORT The kalpa is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā (8.17): sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ. One day of Brahmā is called a kalpa. A yuga, or mahā-yuga, consists of 4,320,000 years, and one thousand such mahā-yugas constitute one kalpa. The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta says that if one does not take advantage of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he cannot be delivered for millions of such kalpas." And this is after that I moved the only tables I made to new article, you removed that!!! How could you... Do you know that demons/asuras/atheists/materialists are killed by Vishnu Himself or sent to hell??? Yes, see here cosmology with numbers - this might be convincing: [1]

I haven't removed any tables from any articles, but if you need help with one, I'll try to help you. You'll have to be more specific though. If you're interested in a theological debate, I do those too, but you'll have to make some type of sense first. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:51, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe you are not so bad, because there is picture of Einstein on your page and you use some angelic picture. But anyway, if you call yourself atheist - that is nonsense. Einstein was theist, and accepted Vedas, read Bhagavad-Gita. But in any case you should not delete theism articles as that is dangeour not only for you but so many people related to you - your relatives, friends etc. However, usually sinner suffers for his own sins only. So you must at least put vakc that page which disappeared:

[2] If you say it was not you who deleted it - wikipedia recorded your name, so I guess it was not a technical mistake.

Yes, I deleted that page. If that's what you're referring to, article space is not an appropriate place for portal tables, they'd need to go on the portal page itself. If you'd like them restored to your userspace in order to do that, I can do that for you. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion attempt

‘chaitanya-mangala’ shune yadi pashandi, yavana seha maha-vaishnava haya tatakshana If even a great atheist hears Shri Chaitanya-mangala (previous name for Shri Chaitanya-bhagavata), he immediately becomes a great devotee.

Nope, sorry, I'm still an atheist. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man, you have a bad destinarion. So, here is some for you to wake up: "Anyone who does not float in this inundation is most condemned. Such a person cannot be delivered for millions of kalpas. PURPORT The kalpa is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā (8.17): sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ. One day of Brahmā is called a kalpa. A yuga, or mahā-yuga, consists of 4,320,000 years, and one thousand such mahā-yugas constitute one kalpa. The author of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta says that if one does not take advantage of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he cannot be delivered for millions of such kalpas." And this is after that I moved the only tables I made to new article, you removed that!!! How could you... Do you know that demons/asuras/atheists/materialists are killed by Vishnu Himself or sent to hell??? Yes, see here cosmology with numbers - this might be convincing: [3] And read about thousands of planets in hell - there you may go if you like, but why? You are eternal soul, why you have to suffer. So Krishna consciosuness is solution. But anyway read about hells, A Description of the Hellish Planets: [[4]]. "If a person deviates from the path of the Vedas in the absence of an emergency, the servants of Yamarāja put him into the hell called Asi-patravana, where they beat him with whips. When he runs hither and thither, fleeing from the extreme pain, on all sides he runs into palm trees with leaves like sharpened swords. Thus injured all over his body and fainting at every step, he cries out, "Oh, what shall I do now! How shall I be saved!" This is how one suffers who deviates from the accepted religious principles." in the province of Yamarāja there are hundreds and thousands of hellish planets. The impious people I have mentioned — and also those I have not mentioned — must all enter these various planets according to the degree of their impiety. Those who are pious, however, enter other planetary systems, namely the planets of the demigods. Nevertheless, both the pious and impious are again brought to earth after the results of their pious or impious acts are exhausted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qualities108 (talkcontribs) 05:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is totally bad to delete Krishna consciousness articles, as Krishna is Supreme Personality of Godhead. So what you did is described here in wiki humor: [5]

Adminitis is a state of mind in which some Wikipedians find themselves at times. Though generally confined to administrators, the condition has been observed in some non-administrators. Although the exact causes are unknown, there is thought to be some correlation towards extensive and prolonged anti-vandalism activity.Contents [show]

[edit] Symptoms Strongly believes that all users are equal but admins are more equal than others Assumes bad faith frequently TLAitis (see WP:WOTTA) Stops editing articles, but continuously pontificates about "writing the encyclopedia" Impatience Exhibits immediatism Hangs out in project namespace Has no time for featured articles Frequently refreshes pages to catch the latest change that (of course) needs to be reverted Believes that he or she is always right (sorry, EVula...) Believes anyone who uses the word 'vote' for 'express a view in a straw poll' should be banned for life Originally hailed as the nicest person on the wiki, now reviled as the most hated troll Prevents pages from being edited in encyclopedic fashion for policy reasons Seems to enjoy biting new users General BOFHness Strict adherence to "Wikipedia policy" while not using common sense or conversely, Strict adherence to ignore all rules, as a strict rule... while not using common sense Self-denial. "This page cannot possibly apply to me" Humor breakdown. "This page is not funny" Sudden spike in use of specific admin tools, or use of admin tools in areas where he hadn't been using them before Requires less and less evidence to be convinced of sock puppetry until confidently asserting that all new users are the same person Spends hours writing sarcastic pages about admin behavior Believes he is the only real claimant to the "Defender of the Wiki" barnstar Exhibits signs of MPOV Thinks people are attacking them when they're only trying to be nice Has a habit of removing criticism while pretending it's a personal attack Indulges in biting delicious newcomers [edit] Diagnosis

It is a near universal truth that sufferers from this illness will reject any diagnosis of the condition by an outside party. With that in mind, it's important for those who have received this diagnosis to conduct a self-test. If more than three of the following apply to you, you may be suffering from this illness: You frequently feel that pages are broken and must be deleted (protection is for wusses!). "Everyone is a vandal or a troll, and must be blocked" is a recurrent thought. "Blocking people is a punishment! (not a tool to get people to cool down and edit the wiki)" is a mantra, not anti-wiki. If you nominate this page for MfD even though it's only 2 minutes since the last revision, you may possibly be suffering from adminitis. Corollary: If you speedy, you are certainly suffering from adminitis. If you accuse the creators of this article of making a WP:POINT, especially if you forget that making a point does not imply disruption (you need to disrupt to make a point, not make a point to disrupt! :-P), you are probably infected. And if you buy the above line of thought, you are definitely infected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qualities108 (talkcontribs) 06:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kludge and Melodic.net

Kludge was a popular American webzine. Its writers are professional critics including Chris Green [6]. Kludge is also a magazine so it is notable. Melodic.net is founded by a professional critic (Pär Winberg)[7] and it is the Europe's leading webzine for modern rock [8] (These sources are reliable and come from The Music Factory). These webzines meet the criteria at WP:WEB, they are notable and I explained why. I don't understand the deletion. They are very similar to Pitchfork Media.--Strawberry Slugs (talk) 11:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who the founder of something is has no effect on its notability, nor does popularity. Only substantial reliable source coverage impacts notability. The "musicfactory.se" that you sent me to does not even mention the website, let alone cover it in detail. If you have any sources that are reliable and cover in depth the website, I'll be happy to help you evaluate them. If you do not, the sites are not appropriate article subjects at all, and cannot be until and unless such sources are written. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This mention the website and its founder. And the source clearly states that Melodic.net is the Europe's leading webzine for modern rock.--Strawberry Slugs (talk) 21:38, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Seraphimblade, could you re-review the article Kludge (magazine) since Strawberry Slugs has decided to reinstate it. Thanks. L Kensington (talkcontribs) 21:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As for Kludge Magazine, Melodic.net is used as source by Billboard, PureVolume, Rivel Records, Code (band), Harem Scarem, AbsolutePunk, BizShark [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]. So the article meet WP:NME. Melodic.net is also the Europe's leading webzine for modern rock and it is founded by Pär Winberg which has worked with EMI, A&R, The Real Group, Robert Wells (composer) among others [15]. I think that Melodic.net is notable to have an article, or am I wrong?--Strawberry Slugs (talk) 00:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When did Kludge become a "magazine" rather than a webzine? Which is it?
Regardless, to reply to both above: To establish notability, you need substantial sources about the article subject, not notability subguidelines (which are just guides as to when sources are likely to exist, passing a subguideline is not a replacement for substantive sources!), not "Someone else mentioned it or said it was leading!" You need in-depth sources about the thing, not that drop its name or praise it briefly. If those do not exist, yes, you are wrong, and we should not have an article. If they do, we should have an article. I don't see any used that meet the criteria, so unless better exist, we shouldn't. Do better, more substantive sources exist, or not? (I don't speak Swedish, so had to use Google's translation of your Swedish source, but the URL "melodic.net" does not even appear within the article. If they're talking in depth about the creator, that may contribute to the notability of the creator, but unless it goes into depth about his creation, not for it.) Regardless, however, the initial speedy on Kludge was declined, so it would need to go to AfD (as presumably a prod would be disputed). I'll hold off nominating it for now, until I get an answer on the source question, but of course anyone else may do so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I-Jet Media

I ask you to restore this article. We need some more time to finalize the article and to make authors of other Wikipedia put a link to this article. Russian Wikipedia has approved publication of this article because of its real significance I-Jet Media Rero26 (talk) 06:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC) ReRo26[reply]

You need to not write about subjects you're affiliated with. If you have appropriate sources for the article, I'll take a look at them, and help you write it if necessary, but from your use of the term "we", you clearly have a conflict of interest and should not be writing or editing the article. Please also note that the Russian Wikipedia has different policies, practices, and enforcement levels than we do, so something being appropriate there does not mean it would be here. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We means my friend and I who likes writing various articles on various subjects. Sources for the article are the following:

Russian sources:

Being prominent mass media and blogs, they all include all the information I put in the article. If this is not enought, could you please help write it as you mentioned? Rero26 (talk) 09:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC) Rero26[reply]