Talk:Hitachi Data Systems

The Hitachi Data Systems and associated discussions page was deleted. Without seeing them I can't comment on their worth, however HDS is a leading technology company and, by the number of other wikipedia pages that link here, notable. So I made a new one. I am both an HDS employee and prior wikipedia contributor (still learning) and am aware of the conflict of interest policy, I've tried to keep it to just the facts. Johnha (talk) 01:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)johnha

I propose to delete the history section on Itel and National Semiconductor in that the material inserted is about those companies, not HDS, and the links inserted led to a articles on a single private advertising site and is spam. Comments or discussion? Johnha (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)johnha

Please do not remove the corporate history involving Itel and National Semiconductor as those portions tell the roots of HDS. For example, articles on companies like Fairchild Semiconductor and Intersil are described with founding roots too. Wikipedia is not a place for reserving the corporate image of companies but to give as complete as possible verifiable accounts of entities. This article is the appropriate place for chronicling the roots of HDS. This article should not be used to maintain the corporate image of HDS, an any attempts to do so would be regarded as spam or vandalism. Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 05:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

It is clear you have great interest and passion in National Semiconductor history. But this is the Hitachi Data System page. Your history is a great read, but leans towards original research and colloquial events seen through personal experiences and personal points of view. Portions are inaccurate and the parts relevant to HDS could be said fully much more briefly. There is much extraneous material. For example the caption “National Semiconductor’s Taking Over Itel”. National did not take over Itel. It took over Itel’s Advanced Systems group. Itel continued on. And “They were also introducing the Unix operating system gradually into their computers. IBM had also introduced the Personal Computer” is supposed to be relevant to IBM succeeding in the mainframe business in the early 80s? No, not then, those were a market force later. In the early 80s it was still non-Unix minicomputers pushing the Mainframe market. And PCs were hardly an example of IBM semiconductor prowness. And recognize that even corrected a paragraph on the mainframe market in the early 80s, on the HDS company page, is a lot of text only tangential to HDS. And in the section on “Hitachi formed as a joint venture of Hitachi and EDS, you provide one reference early on, but none for the following magazine-like content. My main point is it’s great to have a history section, but it should be kept encyclopedic and relevant. It’s not a place to tell a story. If not removed the history you added needs to be cleaned up. (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)johnha

I think that the discussion of ITEL and National Semiconductor should not be in this topic. I think that they each deserve a topic, i.e., one for ITEL and for National Semiconductor, add the information to the existing topic. Remove them from the Hitachi Data Systems topic and use links from the Hitachi Data Systems topic to the ITEL and National Semiconductor topics. It would still provide the history content but in better a better location. If someone is looking for what ITEL or National Semiconductor did in mainframe and storage it should easy to find that information in their own topic. Links in the Hitachi Data Systems topic will provide those people looking for background related to ITEL and National Semiconductor can find it via the links on the Hitachi Data Systems page.ThomasGN (talk) 21:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Roots of HDS

Those paragraphs were not original point of view or personal experience. They were from technology articles and I was too lazy to put in the references, yet. I was waiting for another day to insert the references. I should modify the heading to National Semiconductor taking over itel data systems. If historical facts, backed by references I would insert later, appear as story, so be it. The fact is HDS did indeed originate from Itel and then NAS as well as with Hitachi data and systems products. There is a legal law suit docket listing "National Advanced Systems (now known as Hitachi Data Systems)" as defendant, even after the entity had been changed to HDS - therefore, even the United States court circuits recognise NAS as the original HDS and that HDS is held in any liability that proceeded from NAS.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Vote to remove technology partners section.

I believe the technology partner section should be removed as it appears as a marketing ploy to advertise its list of customers. Please justify non-removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk • contribs) 02:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone has a chip on their shoulder. Anyone familiar with HDS will recognize it is neither a customer list or partner list, but another case of SPAM. I would vote it should either be fixed or removed. (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)johnha

Done! Removed the section due to its not having any encyclopaedic value.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 01:01, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

HDS Product History

I am having thoughts of placing a products sub-section on product history, just like Intel's page. From Itel advanced systems to NAS. The mutation of HDS from primarily selling mainframes to selling storage. What its current mainframe offerings are. What its plans (in relation to its parent company's plans) for staying in the mainframe market are.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 00:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Vote to remove ITEL and NAS history from this article

I believe that the ITEL and NAS history of Hitachi Data Systems should be removed from this article. If the author feels strongly that this information should be available to readers, then I believe that the author of the ITEL and NAS history sections should add that information to the appropriate ITEL and/or NAS articles or if necessary create an ITEL/NAS article and then only link to that historical information from this article. Please justify not removing this ITEL and NAS historical information from this HDS article. ThomasGN (talk) 14:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Since there have been no opposing comments on removing the information on the history of Hitachi Data Systems from this article, I am removing it from this article and creating a new article on the Origins of Hitachi Data Systems with a link from this article. 69.205.246.165 (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I would like to revert to place the Itel and NAS roots of HDS back and delete the article on HDS history. Wikipedia should not be allowed to be used by companies or their personnel to shield their unsavoury history. Companies or their personnel should not employ Wikipedia as a public relations platform by removing/isolating information the company does not view as helpful to their current projected image. Articles on other reconstituted companies include their roots, whether embarrassing or glorious. Moreover, the brevity of the HDS article does not justify moving that information into another section.

If not further discussion ensues on this issue after 7 days, I will revert the article and delete the history article.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)