Talk:The Last Supper (Leonardo)
The link from the top photo doesn't work. when you click on the photo it leads to a broken picture.
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I think this should be moved to The Last Supper (painting). Disambiguation is generally done in categories (and The Last Supper is not a Leonardo) so that it is consistent and easy to guess how articles are disambiguated. If there are two paintings with the name, it should be at The Last Supper (Leonardo painting) or something similar. Tuf-Kat
It seems to me that a number of works of art are identified by artist, aren't they? - Montréalais
- If that's the way it's done in Wikipedia, then I guess it's alright with me. Probably not worth changing anyway. Tuf-Kat
Whoa, why did the last restoration take 22 years? This should be explained. Kent Wang 00:57, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I just restored the paragraph about Kern's ad/parody of the painting, since (at least for me) it is an interesting new fact relevant to the article's topic. AxelBoldt 08:29, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Hi, I was the one who removed the reference. I think it's irrelevant simply because parodies of the Last Supper are so commmon. If Kern's work is worth mention, then so would parodies of the work by American TV shows That 70's Show and Animaniacs should be mentioned as well. Those just happen to be the first two shows that I can think of that had a brief scene in which the characters sat around a table in the same manner as the apostles portrayed in The Last Supper; I'm sure there are many more. Kent Wang 17:37, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
- I have removed the paragraph again, pending further discussion here. Kent Wang 17:14, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Octagon
I heard the original room by Leonardo was painted in octagonal shape and the current box-shaped room is a modification from later times.
speculation removed
On the other hand, one might argue that of course, Leonardo would not have unambiguously replaced one of the apostles by a female. The feminine features of John's face may thus be seen as a mere hint.
And I suppose every other Christian artist who has portrayed John with youthful and somewhat feminine features (there are hundreds if not thousands) was making the same "mere hint"? Such an appearance is a long-lived convention for depictions of John; it predates Leonardo and has long survived him. —Charles P. (Mirv) 6 July 2005 06:18 (UTC)
Jesus and Judas
When I was a child, I read an article in a Christian storybook that claimed that when Leonardo da Vinci painted The Last Supper he found his "Jesus" right away and painted him. Twenty years later, he found a soon-to-be executed prisoner to be his "Judas." After a few weeks finishing the painting, the model jumped up and revealed that he was the model of Jesus, and had become a criminal and "evil" in the last twenty years. It's clear that this is some kind of folklore, or maybe the book made it up to teach some kind of "morality" tale. Anyways, I don't have the source anymore, and was wondering if this is a common Christian legend or not.--204.248.61.77 19:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Hidden Chalice
There is a "hidden" chalice-like symbol in the left pillar, that doesn't seem to belong there, what is its purpose?
- It's not quite clear what this is. It only showed up after the restoration of the work (it was not in evidence before). One Gary Phillips seems to be the first to notice this, and I don't doubt that the silly theory of a missing Holy Grail that Dan Brown did so much to popularize is the cause. If you examine it closely it doesn't look nearly as much like a chalice; in my opinion it more closely resembles Maximilian Sforza's coat of arms, which is visible directly above it. It's also worth wondering what was painted on the other pillars (it's unlikely that they would have been decorated with such asymmetry), but whatever was there has not been restored. —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
the last supper on TV
The depiction of the last supper in the American television program "That 70's Show" is worth noting. Simply because it has supporting evidence towards the idea that the person seated to right of Jesus could possibly be a women. In the show, when they are in the tableu of the last supper, to the right of the one who is supposed to be Jesus is Donna. A red headed girl just like the one depicted in Da Vinci's last supper. it is beleived that this idea is more well-known than once thought. Some television shows alwyas throw in a religious theme in every episode. However this show is not known for that, a remarkable tableau scene featuring the last supper is a very rare occurance and as a viewer of that show i found it to be suprising. Coincidence that Donna, the red-haired girl is depicting Mary Magadelene, the forgotten diciple of Jesus? Only Da Vinci knows for sure. Until we ever know for sure, It does not appear as if the world is ready for such radical re-thinking of the life of Jesus and his shackled relationship with Mary Magdelene.
I CALL BULLSHIT
Speculation
When I saw this article earlier today and saw "The Controversy", the first thought that came into my head was, "Someone's been reading the Da Vinci Code." This book is FICTION, however it is based on one's beliefs, which may or may not be backed up by analysts of this painting. If there are any sources for your "dangerous secret .... campaign launched by the Catholic Church", then by all means, let it remain in the article. If not, however, it can be seen as Original Research and therefore not allowed in wikipedia. WikiTruth 19:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)