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Cláudio César Dias Baptista

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A little hard to sort out, but this individual does not appear to pass WP:N. He was involved with a notable musical group at one time, but I can see no substantial references beyond his own webpage and Portuguese Wikipedia. Article was created by someone claiming to be his pupil writing from the subjects computer. I am also nominating his book Géa separately. Daniel 15:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article Géa and the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista which En Wiki members considered at first good to be published here are suffering a political attack from the En Wiki member named Antiuser.Cláudio César Dias Baptista (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: All I did was remove a piece of original research from the article. The matter is being discussed at WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks.. XXX antiuser ^eh? 16:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is not 'all you did'. You are a Brazilian, and it's extremelly significant that a Brazilian is attacking the page with the work of another Brazilian, a page that was until that moment considered good by all the people from other countries who contributed to its making.187.14.112.27 (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the IP. Reading the discussion in WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks. I make the (yes) great question which is proposed there: 'Why just a Brazilian is deconstructing the page about another Brazilian which was accepted by non-Brazilian En Wiki members'???187.13.5.1 (talk) 17:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel (in the first entering above) is ill-informed: the 'someone' has a name: Rafael Konzen. Rafael didn't create the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista utilizing the subjects computer, but with his own computer. Rafael is a reader of Cláudio's books, is also his pupil in audio and electronics, visited Cláudio (the subject) and in Cláudio's computer Rafael wrote an answer in the Discussion page of Cláudio César Dias Baptista page, which answer was signed by the own Cláudio, who was logged in, to show the clear truth to everybody, and Cláudio signed it up with him. Cláudio did that to preserve the e-mail adress of his pupil, which he offered in that answer, if via message to his e-mail, which he presented there, even with the risk of suffering spam. That's a very different thing than writting the page in the subject's computer!187.13.1.78 (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't create the page with the subject's computer, but still created the page with an IP from Rio de Janeiro state while living in Manaus? XXX antiuser ^eh? 18:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Had you ever heard about laptops, 3G modem and Air Travel, Mr. Antiuser???William T. Johannes (talk) 03:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I have searched available English and Portuguese sources. At most, the references are from non-notable "review" websites and social media. The most reliable sources mention him only as the brother of the notable Arnaldo Baptista. Of note, the pt.wiki is also tagged for COI and POV concerns. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 02:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Mr. JSFouche: When you write 'I have searched available English and Portuguese sources' you should have mentioned which are these sources. The entry you have done here shows only your opinion, which is one or both: polarized or ill-informed. Cláudio César Dias Baptista is mentioned in several books about the group Os Mutantes which he created with his coleague Raphael Vilardi when Arnaldo was learning to play bass guitar... with Cláudio, in the instrument Cláudio manufactured for him, an instrument which is still in good conditions, although his owner Arnaldo is not more, because he attempted suicide. When you affirm that Cláudio César Dias Baptista is 'only the brother of the notable Arnaldo Baptista', you show that you are not well informed about Arnaldo and his ex-wife Rita Lee's life. As you can read Portuguese (or how could you search the sources you mentioned?), please study more the history of Os Mutantes and you will, perhaps, be surprised! I read English and Portuguese, and I found this paragraph in the page "Nem Plágio Nem Coincidência", inside Cláudio's site http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br - there are words from him and also from Rita, please read: 'Afinal, se Rita Lee me escreve hoje (mais exatamente, escreveu-mo em 17-04-2006) o que se segue aspeado e em cor castanha, posso, sem dúvida, considerar-me um dos Mutantes e usar a palavra nos ao referir-me ao grupo: "aliás, indiscutivelmente para mim você sempre foi o cabeça daquele nosso filme dos anos 60, sem a sua presença Los Mutas jamais sairiam do quintal da rua Venâncio Ayres para o mundo - Rita Lee". ' If you can't read Portuguese, Mr. JSFouche, (and because this entry is for everybody in En Wiki), here is the translation: 'After all, if Rita Lee writes me today (more accurately, wrote to me on 04/17/2006) what follows in quotes and brown, I certainly consider myself one of Mutantes and use the word we when referring to the group, "moreover, undoubtedly for me was always you the head of our film of the 1960 years, without your presence Los Mutas would never let the backyard on street Venancio Ayres to the world - Rita Lee. " '. Knowing well the history of Cláudio César Dias Baptista and Os Mutantes, I can affirm this: "Without Cláudio César Dias Baptista there wouldn't exist Os Mutantes, without Os Mutantes there wouldn't be Rita Lee nor Arnaldo Baptista. So, and based in what Rita said herself (reproduced above), it's easy to conclude: Without Cláudio there wouldn't exist Rita Lee nor Arnaldo Baptista - as great artists. That's because Cláudio, with Raphael Vilardi, created the musical group which became Os Mutantes. More about Cláudio? Here it is: in the book 'A Divina Comédia dos Mutantes' (http://www.livrariacultura.com.br/scripts/cultura/resenha/resenha.asp?sid=8713322091361139913270881&nitem=65984) by the Brazilian Journalist Carlos Calado, Cláudio César Dias Baptista is mentioned almost one hundred times, more than any other Os Mutantes members, including Arnaldo Baptista, Sérgio Dias and Rita Lee. The book is in several bookstores to be read by anyone. Please read it and I am certain that you will change your opinion.187.13.32.209 (talk) 04:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- - - Let the page complete during its judgement! I noted that this Antiuser is removing important information from the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista during its period of judgement for deletion. That's not a good policy. I would kindly suggest that the page is restored to its complete form during that period. How can people judge the merit of a page which content is being reduced? That procedure is not what I understand as Justice nor what I understand as En Wiki policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.17.74 (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- Do not delete - Let's be rational and cool, analyzing the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista in the light of what we can read about his opus in page Géa, significantly proposed also for deletion in the same day (...). Here are the positive points: The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book, moreover, a twelve 250 pages volume book. The author composed a 1,000 pages dictionary to complement the book. The author utilized a lexicon twice the William Shakespeare lexicon in his whole opera and six times the lexicon of Camões in "Os Lusíadas". The author created a new language with extra words, doesn't matter if it's named an 'extraterrestrial language' or not. The author illustrated himself the twelve volumes with more than 700 3D pictures, so, he had to learn 3D Computer Graphics to do these illustrations and also the thirteen covers for Géa. The author studied programming languages for computer to create himself the active pages in a site also created by himself to publish himself the book. The author applied his audio experience to perfection the sound of the reading. The author wrote also metrified poems inside the book. The author of Géa composed music for the book. The author proposed complete inventions in the books which could work if tested in laboratory. The author abandoned his profitable carreer in audio to write the book. The author created more than one thousand characters for the book. The description of these characters is interesting in the page Géa. The author presented a Theory, the 'biorrelatividade' in the book. The stories presented in the page are captivating for people who has the habit of reading books - at least they captivate myself. The quantity of references is more than enough and the quality of some of these references is unquestionable, as it's the case of the reporting in Jornal da Tarde, in the Revista Trip (very important in Brazil). And here are the negative points: The book is written in Portuguese, not yet translated to English; Brazil is not England nor USA; people who see the page Géa here in En Wiki can't easily judge the merit of the book because they can't read it. Now I ask myself: Are those negative poits really negative? Is not perhaps an injustice being done against a perhaps great work as it was done also against Don Quixote of Miguel de Cervantes and so many great books which were recognized long time after their writting? Or as the pictures of Vincent van Gogh, who sold only one of them during his life and which were recognized so late? If you search En Wiki for pages about other books, you will see that very few, if any, has the merits I mentioned above for the book Géa. So, I am forced to conclude that the cause of the deletion proposal for both pages Cláudio César Dias Baptista and Géa is not the lack of importance of the opus, but another unknown cause, external to the page itself. And I don't want to be one of the persons who will be remembered as the ones who deleted the page of a book that shows everything to be perhaps recognized as a great work or the page of its author. I vote for the permanence of the pages Cláudio César Dias Baptista and Géa in En Wiki.William T. Johannes (talk) 03:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]