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I can only second the "crappy company" opinion. They will only allow the account holder to cancel an account and then only by phone or snail mail between the hours of 9:00 and 18:00 hours. Furthermore, I was originally told that the account could be cancelled up to 22:00 hours. This meant that I was on the line for a considerable length of time listening to the rubbish the automated service spouts and I achieved nothing. The merge with UPC has achieved nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Remou (talk • contribs) 19:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NTL#Present day was recently changed to say:

There are also rumours of a takeover bid/ merger offer with rival Telewest, possibly as early as H1 2005.

What does H1 mean? Does it mean the first half of? I have changed it to say, "possibly in early 2005." Tim Ivorson 10:59, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I guess so, but I've never seen it used before. I see "Q1", etc. all the time, meaning quarter one, so H1 is a logical expansion of the concept, but as I say, I've never seen it before. - Vague | Rant 10:22, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

MERGE IT!!! come on,

"This was after having spent in excess of 100 million on network infrasctructure, and not turning any profits." I'm almost definite this is wrong, afaik NTL Ireland has generally posted good profits, but the profits were used to subsidise losses in the UK. I'll check up on it :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/13/ntl_sale_rumours/ http://www.enn.ie/news.html?code=9381446 http://www.enn.ie/send.html?code=9574708 I'm sure I can find more :-)

Am I correct in understanding that NTL may be leaving in Dublin market? About bloody time. They are the single most incompetent service provider I have ever come across. They once billed me €800 for one month's service, then credited my account €1100, then billed me €4, then wrote a threatening letter telling me I owed them €1000! A work colleague was cut off for not paying a bill. He always paid it and didn't owe them a penny. Two work colleagues have got it free for 3 years. Being honest they called to tell them that they were getting the service for free. They were told they were lying, they couldn't be getting it for free. The person taking their call then hung up! Another found that NTL had simultaneously ran two accounts on the one supply!!! And they then had the gall to threaten to sue him for their mistake and insist he must pay for his service twice, then finally admitted (after legal threats) that they were in the wrong but told him the only way to shut down the second phoney account NTL had accidentally opened was by cutting off both accounts. It then took them 6 weeks to reconnect him. My ex-flatmate and I both had to threaten to sue them over another cock-up when they threatened to hold us liable for a mistake that was 100% their doing. They cut off the wrong supply to the wrong address (twice) when someone else I know was leaving a house and was closing their account. Simultaneously they credited his account €200 for no reason. You only have to mention the name NTL to someone in a pub to be bombarded with "wait 'til you hear what they did to me!" stories from everyone around you. I doubt if there is a company on the planet more utterly mindbogglingly incompetent. Nothing Laurel and Hardy ever did was a patch on NTL in Dublin. Good riddance to a crap company.

FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 03:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC) [reply]

They left the Irish market MONTHS ago, Jim. Sold to the company that owns Chorus. Who are no better, btw. The NTL name is just on Dublin/Cork/Waterford divisions as a hang over, until they rebrand them consinstantly (and probably not as Chorus) --Kiand 03:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Living in the second area in Ireland to get NTL(knocklyon), I've used them 4 years now(and participated in their newsgroups, and ntl related forums ever since). While I've heard of cock-ups, it wasnt as frequent as your opinion implies.

But they do have famously bad customer service.

P.S., They were sold to Morgan Stanley Holdings, who are holding them for UGCEurope, awaiting competition authority go ahead. Also, UGC and Liberty Media recently merged, forming LGI. NTL Ireland is still maintaining its infrastructure/other links with NTL UK atm.--Bastion 15:34, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need a list of the TV channels available on NTL TV?--Tolien 22:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, if needs be create a seperate article. --Bastion 00:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NTL & Telewest have Merged

On 3 March 2006, NTL and Telewest announced they had completed their corporate merger. So, it might be worth considering merging the two pages. This will not have any immediate effect on services - both the Telewest and NTL brands will continue for the time being. --Thebrid 19:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ntl in lowercase

Its not NTL its ntl. Can people understand this? Look at any official literature.

Only in marketing speak. They use NTL Incorporated and NTL in documents aimed at investors see

--Cavrdg 18:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The ntl brand guide does specifically state that ntl should always be lower case. Shiroi Hane 00:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Will Wikipedia allow for use of ntl (in the title / page name I meam)? Plus somebody should tell 'ntl' that NTL is an abbreviation ;) --Streaky 16:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The NTL bumf would tell you that NTL isn't an abbreviation any more, just as BA and BT now insist that's their name and not an abbreviation for the name. Cobblers, obviously, but that's what they would say.

I don't think we need to use 'ntl', since 'NTL' is the way all newspapers, press releases, investor statements etc. report them. After all, Coca Cola's brand guide would instruct everyone to use swirly writing for their name, but you aren't likely to get a newspaper doing that and Wikipedia certainly wouldn't. There is already a large image on the right showing their bespoke font and pretentious use of lower-case lettering. Kayman1uk 15:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ntl has already been renamed to virgin media, look at [1]. Amlder20 09:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal (from Virgin Media)

Note

This discussion was copied from Talk:Virgin Media#Split proposal on 11 May 2011. --Trevj (talk) 12:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Split proposal

I propose that the section Virgin Media#History be split into:

Telewest (already present)
NTL (perhaps reinstating a version around this date)

Note: it appears that the merge was never discussed at NTL.

The article is currently too long, according to guidance at WP:SIZERULE. It should be reduced to a reasonable size. --Trevj (talk) 21:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that the article is too long per se, but am not against reducing the History section where the content exists elsewhere or could more appropriately do so. If a separate NTL article is created, which I would support, then undoubtedly the large NTL and Premium TV-related sub-sections of the History section in this article could be much reduced, although I would be against them being wholly removed as they provide useful and necessary context. Doing this would enable the overall length of the History section to be much reduced.

I would be in favour of the 'Telewest (1984–2006)' sub-section of the History section being reduced in so far as it duplicates content in the Telewest article, but again I would be against it being wholly removed and a couple of brief paragraphs does not seem to me either excessive or inappropriate.

The rest of the History section should in my view remain as is. The option exists to create a separate 'History of Virgin Media' article in time, although the steps above would reduce the short-term need for such a move.Rangoon11 (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rangoon11's method seems good. I would also consider trimming the UKTV section and possibly summarising Virgin Media Television. Virgin.net and Premium TV might be better off included in the NTL article rather than as separate stubs. The Virgin Mobile section isn't in the history and already has its own article (Virgin Mobile UK). - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 17:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - my proposal was a little ambiguous. I'm not proposing splitting the entire section (i.e. a {{Split section}}), although History of Virgin Media could be created if the amount of material to be retained is too much. I think that retaining concise histories of pertinent points is important. My main concern is that a lot of content was lost from NTL and should be reinstated at a new page, e.g. NTL (company). IMO this should ideally be done in such a way that the edit history for the company is not lost. Therefore, how about:

Replace (currently unused) NTL (disambiguation) with current contents of NTL
Move NTL to NTL (company)
Edit NTL (company) to the contents of a date such as that previously mentioned above
Place a note at Talk:NTL (disambiguation) explaining that some edit history for the dab is at NTL (company)
Edit NTL (disambiguation) to include NTL (company) in place of NTL:Telewest
Move NTL (disambiguation) to NTL
Edit NTL:Telewest to redirect to NTL (company)

Is there anyone around here who can shed some light on past edits? If so, this could save having to potentially trawl through any relevant discussions.

Is it possible that an admin would have the right privileges to tidy the mixed edit histories of the company page and the dab in a preferable manner? Thanks. --Trevj (talk) 19:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an admin and so can't help with the technicalities but I agree with the proposal.Rangoon11 (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You'd need to put in a requested move WP:RM, as the number of pages involved won't make it a simple move. List them all as a single job. - X201 (talk) 16:06, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That can be looked at once others have had time to comment. I've posted a note on WT:COMPANIES and WT:TELECOM --Trevj (talk) 19:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moves done, please see Talk:NTL#Split_proposal_.28from_Virgin_Media.29 and Talk:Virgin_Media#Split_proposal. KiloT 11:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NTL → NTL (company) – Content lost from NTL and should be reinstated at a new page, e.g. NTL (company). See consensus at Talk:NTL#Split proposal (from Virgin Media)/Talk:Virgin Media#Split proposal. Other editing will also need to be carried out to ensure the disambiguation page is correctly reached by users. The process is relatively complicated but will benefit the encyclopedia and mostly retain edit histories. It would be appreciated if the process could be evaluated before going ahead, in case I've missed something important! Thanks. Trevj (talk) 12:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NTL (disambiguation) → NTL

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.