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Meningitis

I agree with removing that last addition as too technically detailed for the article, but I followed the changes and fyi, the editor had written $.50 (fifty cents) not $50. Not sure that would change anything to the article, but you might be interested. MartinezMD (talk)

My bad. I will follow this up with said editor. JFW | T@lk 08:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 15 August 2011

Joseph ben Ephraim Karo

Thank you for correcting Shulchan Aruch. Attention needed at Joseph ben Ephraim Karo. Much obliged. Chesdovi (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need a much broader discussion about the naming of Eretz Yisroel over the ages. It would be an idea to take the initiative to start an RFC, rather than having a project-wide low-grade edit war. JFW | T@lk 18:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. But you have in the past consistenly reverted such changes. Why the hesitation now? I don't think Debresser has ever reverted your addtions of Palestine. Chesdovi (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that reverting an anonymous user who makes such an edit without an edit summary is reasonable. Having a pan-wiki standoff between several established editors, however, is not helpful. I think an RFC is the only solution, before this spins out of control and the Arbcom gets involved. JFW | T@lk 23:23, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is common sense that "Israel" for pre-48 articles for sure does not belong. I recommend changing it back to Palestine like you also did to Winchester's edit on June 2, 2011 until this is resolved. Chesdovi (talk) 23:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lung cancer

Thanks for the message you left on my talk page. I took your "appropriate sources" in the summary as meaning "reliable source". Another editor has in the meanwhile reverted my edit and pointed out the issue with primary study in medicine. For me a peer reviewed published article on a trustworthy journal was as good as a secondary source, once one points out that the statement comes from one specific study. --Dia^ (talk) 15:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:MEDRS review articles are preferred as they better represent the general opinion of the medical community.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:05, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chantix - Depression and Suicide

First of all, thank you for your assistance. This has been a nightmare battle with the user Homerduo, who insists on burying evidence which is quite contrary to the agenda for which he is fighting.

As a Physician Assistant, my goal is to insure proper treatment for patients. I began my research into the drug Chantix (varenicline), after hearing numerous reports from colleagues on it's dangers. These statements appeared to me to be based on nothing other than public reports. My research has shown that since the drug first earned it's reputation of causing depression and suicide (for which there were no documented studies in the early years), there has since been statistical research which has shown evidence that this is, in fact, false.

The study which Homerduo continually tries to hide from the appropriate section, 'Depression and Suicide', was one done in the UK during 2009. The study found that out of almost 11,000 participants, Chantix showed no more evidence towards causation of depression or suicidal ideation than any other drug in the study. Obviously, this is crucial evidence and deserves to be posted in the proper section.

I ask you, if the study had in fact shown the opposite, that out of 11,000 subjects they did indeed find that the drug caused depression and suicide, would it be urged to be placed in that section by the user Homerduo? I think the answer is clear.

Further, I have attempted to shed light on other aspects of this controversy, such as in the 'Controversy' section, where it is stated:

"On September 3, 2007, musician Carter Albrecht was shot and killed by his girlfriend's neighbor, during an altercation in which an inebriated Albrecht was reportedly banging on the neighbor's door and yelling incoherently. Albrecht's girlfriend and others close to him have publicly claimed that varenicline contributed to the erratic behavior which led to his death. [18]"

What Homerduo refuses to be mentioned (he continues to remove my editing there as well), is that Albrecht had also been consuming large amounts of alcohol prior to the incident. This is hardly trivial data. Refusing to allow such facts to come to light is the epitome of propaganda, and it infuriates me that a single user is allowed to govern the information and tone of a Wikipedia page purely of their own volition. It screams similarity to the horrific public debacle related to the widespread belief that vaccinations cause autism. Now that we know this is not the case (in fact, Andrew Wakefield, who first made these allegations, has had his medical license revoked after it was found he faked the data), it's plain to see how easily the public can be swayed. As a provider who has prescribed Chantix to many patients, with much success, I only ask that the information on BOTH sides be presented with equal attention and weight, regardless of personal opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.95.251.38 (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The BMJ study contradicts a large number of other reports. It is therefore better to discuss the findings in the context of all other reports. The best thing, of course, would be to find a source that discusses all reports, identifies methodological issues, and comes to a final conclusion. I can't imagine it will take long before such a source becomes available. See WP:MEDRS for the sources that we need most.
With regards to Carter Albrecht, your choice of phrasing is such that it looks like you've added stuff that is not in the source.
I would really like you to participate in the discussion on Talk:Varenicline and come to a consensus that everyone can agree with. Just reverting each other is not productive in the long term, and does not lead to a neutral encyclopedia article. JFW | T@lk 07:36, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the BMJ study does contradict much other report ... specifically, primarily PUBLIC report. When a study fails to confirm public report, something is questionable.

In fact, there are many other studies which have shown no link between depression and suicide and Chantix:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21810630

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21295286

In fact, it has even been shown to decrease depression in patients with prior diagnosis:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19323966

It boggles the mind how can say that the because the BMJ is contradictory to public report, it does not belong in the Depression and Suicide section. The study was done specifically on the topic.

As to my phrasing related to the Albrecht case, I fail to see how stating that he had been intoxicated on large amounts of alcohol prior to and up to the incident is 'adding stuff not in the source', when the source states that over three times the legal limit of alcohol was found in his blood. In fact, your assertion is nothing other than mind boggling. But I guess I have no say in helping truth come to light, and anyone who comes to the page will, unfortunately, not have access to truth. I guess that's why we're always told as scientists to refrain from using Wikipedia as a verifiable source of information.