Talk:HCL Notes

End of development

Please give an estimate of end of developer/support to give hope to the poor souls that are forced to use this piece of crapware. I work for IBM and if I ever run into anyone part of the dev/PM team for this... thing, violence on the workplace will ensue. It's a shame this had potential, but the fact that the UI experience team was brought on board on VERSION 8 might give you a clue how deep and loud this thing sucks.

Number of installed seats

"Since that time, the installed base of Lotus Notes has nearly tripled from an estimated 42 million seats in September 1998 to more than 120 million in 2006."

I don't see a source for these figures. The number seems rather inflated - - are these 120 million seats counting R6 and R7 upgrades twice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.196.222 (talk • contribs) 10:45, April 12, 2006 (UTC)

response to: What was originally different about [Lotus Notes]?

Organizing and linking related information was a holy grail prior to the internet, and still is. The largest problem being the large maintenance effort of separate links (paths) to a data item. e.g. moving a document required updating known links and the posibility of unknown links which will be broken. To me, Lotus Notes jumped to the fore-front by placing the link information inside the document as a category, which is available in multiple orginized views (paths). The addition of "allow multiple values" allows consolidation of duplicate information where now the same master document can be displayed [linked] under multiple topics. Alowing end users to control categories [view links] in a simple GUI interface made Notes the killer app of it's day [in my humble opinion]. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.164.158.12 (talk • contribs) 20:30, February 13, 2006 (UTC)

IBM Lotus Notes on security wise mailing system, lotus notes provide so many feature like,

1. Webase mail encpytion with double password 128 bit encyption which is digital ID file base. 2. DOAS server for heavy attachment on external dive or SAN 3. Web base mail archiving on server web user can achive his mail through web 4. Automatically mail compaction in 8.5.2 version 5. ICM internet cluster manager load balance give 100% availibity of services 6 Xpage introduce which is java AJAX base progamming and desiging application system

and so many feature are in Lotus notes , there is no any messaging software will give above feaute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.38.188 (talk) 21:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Someone please edit "Nowadays..."

"Nowadays Java is also integrated in Lotus Notes, as is JavaScript." This sounds horrible. I'm not a writer, so please, someone fix this sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.201.35.50 (talk • contribs) 16:15, January 27, 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.36.62.148 (talk • contribs) 11:40, February 1, 2006 (UTC)

DominoWiki

It is definitely a cool tool to build a Wiki with...! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.127.8.19 (talk • contribs) 12:20, March 23, 2006 (UTC)

Elided comments about Notes as an email client

The comments don't seem to be supported except by reference to the site http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/index.html - hardly NPOV. Added http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/index.html to list of external links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.32.89.97 (talk • contribs) 16:13, March 28, 2006 (UTC)

Issue with present criticisms section

I have not made changes based on this discussion item, but do not find the Criticisms section useful. Given time to do the research I suspect more authoritative criticisms can be provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evisionary (talk • contribs) 21:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

In addition to the comments in the unsigned post above regarding a deleted reference to the site http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/index.html, the Criticisms entry currently quotes and cites a 2006 article in The Guardian which is a strongly anti-Notes opinion piece which does not provide new information, but rather, quotes multiple sites dedicated to the criticism of Notes.

The entry is consistent with the article in the Guardian when it states that the user interface (UI) is bad, however, it does not include a sufficient description of what good would be, other than the assertion that compliance with Microsoft standards are a requirement for an application to be good. The Guardian article admits that Notes is designed for multiple platforms, so the author might have assumed Microsoft compliance is but one of many considerations the UI designer must account for. The author does use that as an explanation of the differences between the Notes UI and Microsoft Standard UI, but the citation omits this. In the absence of a citation for comparison of the Notes UI to a true consensus standard from an organization which is not a direct competitor of Notes, the assertion made is not highly useful or insightful.

An out of balance review in The Guardian is no stronger a reference than a biased blog, particularly since no hard facts are given other than a list of companies which use Lotus Notes (including the parent company for The Guardian and presumably the author). Without at least a comparative perception survey to base comments on, the cited article is an individual's unsubstantiated opinion. The individual is credible (Technology Editor) however, academic validity is suspect and motives may be more than just to impart knowledge.

There are significant criticisms possible for older versions of Notes which can be authoritatively demonstrated such as poor interoperability with other standard email clients, however, the current criticism does not attempt to provide authoritative content. I do not have current expertise to assert these are still valid concerns, and would have like to see more useful critique than is in this article. Evisionary (talk) 21:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

this might be a stupid question

What's the difference b/tw Lotus Notes with Messaging User License and Lotus Notes with Collaboration User License? Like the subject reads, this might be a stupid question, but I've never encountered this software, and I'm one of those non-techy types.

Messaging user license seems to require your have a server license as well for each CPU, Collab. User Lic. license covers both server and client, but is limited in size of userbase and some of the notes multi server features are not available. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.194.249.170 (talk • contribs) 14:35, June 6, 2006 (UTC)

http://www-142.ibm.com/software/sw-lotus/products/product4.nsf/wdocs/dominoexpressfaq2

--RhsAtRhs 19 Aug 2006 -- You are confusing two questions. First there's Messaging vs. Collaboration licensing. Second, there's regular vs. "Express" licensing. Messaging lets you use mail, calendar, and some simple IBM-supplied application templates. Collaboration lets you use everything just mentioned, plus custom applications developed in-house, by consultants, or by ISVs. Customers can buy either Messaging or Collaboration liceneses in either of two ways. Anyone can buy the regular way, which involves paying per server CPU and per client. Customers with 1000 or fewer seats can buy "Express" licenses (either Messaging Express or Collaboration Express), which involves paying only for client licenses because servers are free in this license model.

Can Lotus Notes be used at home?

I am told that the drawback to using Lotus Notes at the office is that some people can't access it from their home computer. True? False? What are the details on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.118.222.165 (talk • contribs) 00:14, October 22, 2006 (UTC)

--RhsAtRhs 23 Oct 2006 --False. Notes was explicitly designed for remote access and off-line work. It has a very long history of offering multiple solutions for support of users who are not connected to the same network as their servers. It had its own dial-in mechanism, its own encrypted network connections and its own indirect access (called "passthrough servers") long before LAN dial-in, VPN solutions and reverse proxies were generally available for other solutions. And Domino has supported web access to mail and applications since 1996. So, the only reasons someone wouldn't be able to use Notes from home are: (a) they don't have a computer, and (b) their company won't let them.

Notes is a DBMS

The authors lack RDBMS knowledge. DBMS means ANY db mgmt system, not relational, and Notes has a DBMS. I also removed mistaken descriptions of RDBMS. "Relational" has nothing to do with parent-child or index/key, it means that tables are RELATIONS or TUPLES.

I added Notes/Domino to the Database category. I would love for somebody to figure out exactly what KIND of database Notes NSF is - I know it is one, but does it fit into any academic category? Certainly it's multi-value and object like.

Charles Ross —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.161.157.240 (talk • contribs) 12 June 2007, 07:44 (GMT).

Threw in Some Discussion of Third-Party Apps in Related Software

I figured people should have a sampling of third-party software as well as the IBM software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toronto1112 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Your links got removed by another editor, as there's a WP policy not to place external links directly in the text, so I expanded the description in the Related software section and move the links to the end. That info, and the whole article, still need a lot of work though. Rupert Clayton (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)