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Who's the yellow country?

It doesn't say in the article and I don't like Geography. Spa-Franks (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a colour key under the map itself, which shows what purple, green, and yellow indicate.
  • Purple = Confirmed countries
  • Green = Confirmed participants that have selected their entrant and/or song
  • Yellow = Countries that participated in the past but will not in 2012
The yellow country on there at the moment is Czech Republic. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently working on an image map to be used on the map, which basicly when the mouse is rolled over the name of the country comes up and clicking we take you to the appropriate country year. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm loving the sound of that idea already AxG, and wish you the best of luck with the project. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Semifinalists and finalists

The list of participating countries is at the moment divided between finalists (big 5 plus host) and semi finalists (everybody else). While I personally think this will be the case, is there already any decision on how the contest would work if all big 5 countries took part. After all, the rules stipulate a 25 song final, which would mean 19 semi finalists qualify and make the two semi finals awkward. While I guess in this case that the final number would be changed to 26 (or maybe 24) contesting songs, is there any reliable source about this yet? The issue hasn't come along the past years since Italy conveniently only entered in 2011, when Germany as another Biggie were holders, so in that case in some respect the rules ought to be changed and we don't know which way yet. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The EBU have already discussed this prior to this years contest in Germany, and stated that no more than 26 nations can compete in the grand final. So they already took into account that Italy would be hanging around in the contest for a good few years or so. Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is what was found on the EBU website... "The European Broadcasting Union is also reviewing the budget of the contest so every participating country is capable to host it. In the event of a non-Big 5 country winning, then the Eurovision final will have 6 direct participants, with the remaining 20 positions being filled by semi-finalists (10 from each of the semi-finals)". Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 10:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stray animals

There are posts going around social networks claiming that Eurovision is again used to financially support cruel killing of stray animals (e.g. letting shot dogs to slowly ddie on the street or burning them alive). For example, the Naturewatch provides a short note on it. This information is worth to be added to the Wikipedia article on Euro2012, people shall be aware of it.

Excuse to Kill Stray Dogs » | Naturewatch

I hope I do not violate the page policy, I strongly belive the page requires some "anti supporters" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naxxaa (talk • contribs) 22:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think one needs to read the linked article again LOL. It mentions all over it about European FOOTBALL championships 2012 not Eurovision Song Contest 2012. Wesley Mouse (talk) 22:30, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the proper word for that wouldn't be "anti supporters" but "controversies". (Just in case the article comes to need it). Also what Wesley said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.145.43.195 (talk) 05:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article won't need the animal cruelty being included in Eurovision 2012. If you read the article it mentions about the killing of stray dogs in Ukraine, who are co-host for UEFA Euro 2012 soccer. It also mentions something similar happening in 2005, when Ukraine hosted the Eurovision Song Contest. As this article is about Eurovision Song Contest: Azerbaijan 2012, then it doesn't warrant its inclusion. Wesley Mouse (talk) 13:56, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the same poster as above (I finally got an account). Yeah, I had got that part, but I thought that just in case there's some controversy that actually refers to ESC 2012, we better not use "anti supporters". Not A Superhero (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As the ESC 2012 is being staged in Azerbaijan, then I pretty much doubt that issues with the culling of stray dogs in Ukraine will spill-over into Azerbaijan, especially when they don't even share a land-border. It may be worthwhile though, mentioning the animal cull on the talk page for Euro Soccer 2012; as there doesn't appear to be any mention of it there. The only unofficial controversy surrounding Eurovision 2012, is that of the eviction of hundreds of civilians from their homes in order to make way for the construction of the new Baku Crystal Hall, which coincidently has been mentioned by the EBU supervisor, Jon Ola Sand. Although I think we're awaiting for more information from "reliable" sources before even including that into the main article itself. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cyprus source for "English" language.

I am sorry but this is not a source that can be referenced for English being the language of Cyprus' song. Firstly, this is a gossip article written from a first person point of view, laughing off other rumours as well as creating their own. Secondly, there is no firm evidence to support any arguments given by the author. This needs removing from the ESC 2012 page and any other pages it is listed on. Nathan | talk 21:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thirdly, it is by Oikotimes, which has been debatable as to their reliability. Looks like one that slipped through the net though. I'll sort it out now. Wesley Mouse (talk) 23:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Portugal?

It's no longer in "Possible Withdrawals" and is not confirmed or withdrawing either. Spa-Franks (talk) 15:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please, read this link! http://www.oikotimes.com/eurovision/2011/09/22/portugals-participation-not-in-doubt/ CoolAbc (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly in reply yo CoolAbc's link, Oikotimes is questionable about their reliability, and anything published by them shouldn't be treated as 100% truth. This has been mentioned numerous times throughout this article talk page. Please try and avoid using their sources, unless an article published by Oikotimes has valid sourcing in itself. In reply to Spa-Franks, there was a valid link with the Portuguese news of possible withdrawal, to back up it's inclusion as a "possible". Wesley Mouse (talk) 20:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The link provided by CoolAbc doesn't appear to work any more. The content about Portugal was removed by a sock puppet of a indefinitely blocked user who was not editing in good faith, and I have hence restored it. I think the status quo should be maintained until some new sources are released about Portugal. CT Cooper · talk 23:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moldova should be confirmed

This [1] should be a confirmation for Moldova? The article says The Eurovision fever will start soon in Moldova as the regulations for their national selection for next year's contest will be soon published on the official website of TRM. /Hollac16 (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The country is now listed as confirmed. CT Cooper · talk 09:57, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

San Marino semi-confirmation?

In announcing their withdrawl from Junior Eurovision here [2], their head of Delegation said that they are "putting all their efforts into Eurovision 2012". --Ukavsfan (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems clear enough to me that they are talking about the ESC, and not another JESC. However, I'm not sure about the reliability of the source. CT Cooper · talk 11:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Slovakia will (not) compete in 2012

According to Oikotimes, Slovakia have chosen to skip ESC 2012 (source [3].) However, EBU have not confirmed or denied that, but I still think that Slovakia should be placed under the heading Possible withdrawsdue to it is an uncertain situation. What do you think? /Hollac16 (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It clearly makes no sense to use an Oikotimes source from September to confirm participation, and then to ignore another more recent Oikotimes article from October suggesting otherwise. Until we have more information, I would agree with placing Slovakia in possible withdrawals. CT Cooper · talk 15:50, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ESCToday have now annonced that Slovakia has withdrawal to 2012. They will not compete in Baku. /Hollac16 (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, RTVS hasn't still decided. Many sources contradict each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.102.200.200 (talk) 15:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to EscToday,RTVS has just released a statement that says that their participation is "yet to be decided". I think that, while they might be added as "possible withdrawals", it can't be confirmed as already withdrawn.Not A Superhero (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland

So I was wondering would this article from today's Irish Daily Mail, I know, not the most trustworthy source of news, but still, count towards confirming Ireland's participation in the Eurovision 2012? anto475 16:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is an interesting press article, and does state RTÉ throughout. However, I can't find anything on RTÉ's website to back up this article. So I'm not sure whether it should or shouldn't be included. I'm torn in two, on this one. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think its best to get more sources to back it up for it to be included. Pro66 (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, use it. It's what we did for the UK. Spa-Franks (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now ESCToday says that RTE says: "Yes, RTE want the twins to represent Ireland in the Eurovision. The boys are very excited. They feel they have unfinished Eurovision business and would like another chance. Provided the song is right, then yes, Jedward will accept the offer." Even if this maby not confirmed yet (about Jedward), I think this is a confirmation for Ireland. In the article (source [4]) speaks repeatedly about "Which artist will compete for Ireland in Baku?". So I think this is a confirmation. /Hollac16 (talk) 22:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Jedward have been confirmed as the Irish entry for 2012. According to their own column in OK magazine, they have announced that they have been internally selected by RTÉ. Wesley Mouse (talk) 05:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC) Digital Spy have also reported on this confirmation. Wesley Mouse (talk) 05:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I think we should update the map. (I really need to learn how to do that) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not A Superhero (talk • contribs) 13:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Problem with those Jedward OK columns is that there's a lot of input from a ghostwriter. In other interviews, Jedward have confirmed they are entering again, but there has been no suggestion from RTÉ that they'll necessarily bypass the national heats. They may still have to compete in Eurosong or an equivalent competition. 129.67.157.122 (talk) 22:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be added as part of the preparatives?

Eurovision.TV reports that a letter from the Prime Minister of Azerbaijan, delivered by Ictimai TV (The host broadcaster) to the Reference Group in Berna, it is stated that Azerbaijan is commited to:

- Give safety and security guarantees to attendants. - Simplify the visa policies for everyone entering the country to attend the contest. - Grant freedom of expresion and assembly to delegates, crew, press and fans.

This could be included in the "Role of host broadcaster" section, I think.

They also presented the progress in their preparations to the contest, and the Reference Group concluded that they are well on schedule. Not A Superhero (talk) 23:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We certainly could mention the proposed changes to visa policies and other things, however the source should be appropriately written-up to avoid the section reading like a company press release. CT Cooper · talk 22:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Andorra considering returning

[5] Jack Lucien, an andorran singer, said on his twitter last month that he was recording a song called Jo vull mes de tu (I want more of you, in Catalan) which was for Eurovision. He has been involved in the Andorra Eurovision selection before and co-wrote Russia's entry last year, so although it's not a confirmation, he has been sharing the information about it with his small Twitter community. I'd say that he'd be giving the song to someone else, but the fact that he is a) recording it himself, b) from Andorra, and c) singing it in Catalan, makes me think that some confirmation must be coming soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.140.145.49 (talk) 12:07, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It says (I quote): "Recording a very Eurovisiony song called Jo vull mes de tu...". I understand that he's recording a song in Eurovision style (whatever it means for him. For me, that would be disco-schlager or a Disney ballad), but it doesn't mean it's for Eurovision. If Andorra returns, we will know as soon as it reported in an official or reliable site, I guess.Not A Superhero (talk) 14:35, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I generally agree with Not A Superhero. We can only report what reliable sources say, and anything which involves editors putting facts or opinions together to reach a conclusion is in conflict with the Wikipedia:No original research policy. So, I think we need some more solid sourcing before Andorra can be listed as a possible return. CT Cooper · talk 21:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Andorra broadcaster RTVA have confirmed to fellow Eurovision fan site JanelaESC that Andorra will not be making a return to the contest in 2012. This has been published on October 19, via ESCDaily.com. Wesley Mouse (talk) 08:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are the new sources reliable?

Today have two members published a large number of countries: 32 countries to 38 countries. Now I question some sources credibility. Among other newz.az previously been discussed up to be an untrustworthy source. In addition, should at least ESCToday have published these facts, if it is to match. I just wonder simply if the information is correct or not. If it is not true, the number of countries to be 32 again. /Hollac16 (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which countries have been added now? I noticed Italy being included, and upon reading the source, it doesn't really mention anything about ESC2012, all it says is the dates for San Remo 2012 - nothing added to say if San Remo will be used to select an Italian entry. And some of news.az articles have been included for other parts of this main article. So it does bring us back to swings and roundabouts as to do we (a) use all of news.az; (b) semi-use news.az as long as their articles are credible and sourced within themselves; or (c) don't touch news.az with a bargepole. I did update details about Jedward returning for Ireland, as there are now 2 independent sources both confirming this. One being Digital Spy, who have had confirmation from RTÉ; and the second being from Jedward themselves, who publicly told everyone in their own column via OK! magazine. Wesley Mouse (talk) 11:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please forgive me for my laziness. I have done a quick check on the 6 countries that have been added - Croatia; Greece; Russia; San Marino; France; and Italy. Here are my findings...
  • Croatia: Oikotimes publication, which upon inspection shows that they have gained the details from Today.az.
  • Greece and France: News.az publication - and also an article which we discredited a few weeks ago, and shouldn't be used as sourced material.
  • Russia: Oikotimes publication, which is only commenting on interest for a participant; nothing is stated about Russia entering in 2012.
  • Italy: ESCDaily publication; and only mentions the dates for San Remo 2012, nothing in that article states about ESC 2012 participation.
  • San Marino: Oikotimes publication, which also sources the information from International Press Release website PRWeb.com. I have viewed PRWeb.com, and the article does in fact appear there as a press release.
    Hope this helps with the enquiries over the new additions. Wesley Mouse (talk) 11:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The News.az source is from August, and should probably be put aside, as I don't want to get back in that controversy again. I previously pointed to the person adding these new countries, Popsiclesare (talk · contribs), that using news.az sources is controversial and I will be sending a reminder about that with a link to this discussion. Based on the above, I would say remove all except San Marino. CT Cooper · talk 15:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But if all these sources are not reliable then why is the map updated with all these countries? /Hollac16 (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A User:Mopje18 updated the map, however, it was a PNG rendering uploaded as a SVG, so the point of it did not work. I shall be sorting out the map from sources on here. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 19:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Per the above, I have removed Croatia, Greece, France, and Russia from the confirmed participants list; Italy had already been removed. CT Cooper · talk 11:26, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland¿?¿?

Ireland has not yet elected representative. They are only rumors. --84.125.223.10 (talk) 22:06, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have two sources confirming them as their representatives, however the reliability is dubious.
From DS: "the ­Eurovision organisers requested them back. Provided the song is right, then yes, Jedward will ­accept the offer." The 'the ­Eurovision organisers' could be the EBU, German organiser for 2011 or even RTÉ.
From OK, the whole page seems to have been written by Jedward themselves, even they confirm that they are the Irish entry.
It does seem like they are? -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 23:40, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom Eurovision 2012 Representatives

There are reports that X Factor contestants Goldie Cheung and Johnny Robinson are being lined up is potential entrants for the contest in Azerbaijan next year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.241.33 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that was a joke. Unless you can provide a source, then it will still be a joke. -- [[ axg ◉ talk ]] 23:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd second what AxG says about it being a joke. Especially when the BBC told the Daily Star (a British newspaper) that they have a few people lined-up that they are considering to take on the challenge as Blue's successors. Wesley Mouse (talk) 08:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic on map

The current version of the participation map still shows Czech Republic as "yellow - not participating". Yet the article itself mentions that they weren't going to return in 2012, but now a final decision is still unknown. Therefore, shouldn't the Czech Republic now be shown as grey, similar to Slovakia, as they too are in limbo about participating. Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Andorra could do with being highlighted on the map in yellow - Countries that participated in the past but will not in 2012. Now that we know they are not returning. Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was my knowledge that in the past countries were not highlighted yellow on the map until the official list of countries was published by the EBU. I don't know whether this situation has changed or not, but I would support that measure of leaving a country as grey until the official list is published. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oikotimes reported as unsafe website

According to Google diagnostics, the website Oikotimes has been listed as unsafe. Allegedly visiting the site has resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. Are we to go off Google diagnostics, and avoid using Oikotimes links in any Eurovision-related article, for the protection of visitors to Wikipedia as well as Wikipedians? Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:58, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On my current security settings, Firefox blocks Oikotimes with the message that it is a "Reported Attack Page!", with this block linking to the report by Google above. This is over ridable, and when I have done so my anti-virus software or firewall hasn't picked up anything. I have no idea what has caused this report, and although I greatly question the reliability of Oikotimes, I will be surprised if they are intentially playing host to malicious software. One possible cause is that they were hacked by a third party with malicious software inserted, which has now been removed. CT Cooper · talk 20:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you mean Cooper. I was just thinking about safety for everyone as a whole, both Wikipedians and visitors. On a strange note though, my computer had crashed the other day, and I ended up doing a complete factory restore, initially crossed my mind was perhaps I had done something to cause it to crash - on looking at the report - it does question my original suspicions as to whether visiting Oikotimes may have been the cause. Especially when the main thing to go first before the crash was internet settings, followed by everything virtually melting away on my hard-drive. Touch-wood the problem has now gone away, and everything is working again - although Oikotimes still shows as a malicious site on Firefox, Safari, IE and Chrome. Wesley Mouse (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Norton says the site is safe, though it could be an out-of-date report. While I am uncomfortable with linking to websites that have security issues, particularly with the potential policy issues, it is clearly impractical to remove all links to Oikotimes articles in all Eurovision articles in a short space of time, and if we did go ahead with a mass removal, the blocking could have been lifted by then. We could contact Oikotimes to request clarification, but last time I e-mailed them I never got a reply. Alternatively, we could simply wait a week or two to see if the block is lifted. CT Cooper · talk 22:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My browser (Firefox 7.0.1.) sometimes blocks it and sometimes loads it normally. Right now it's blocked. I believe however it is a false alarm, because a similar problem happened to a friend's site, who was using drop down menus (similar to those in Oikotimes) and Google blocked her site as malicious, before she found out that what was causing it were the modules she used for the menus. So in Oikotimes, a site 10 times heavier, with gimmicky modules everywhere, one module could have gone wrong and hopefully the administrators know it and try to fix. That, and CT Cooper's observation (that his computer wasn't infected when he bypassed the block) fuel my suspicion that it is a false alarm, although I wouldn't try to bypass the block myself (the idea of formatting and re-installing Windows if something goes wrong isn't particularly pleasing to me). In any case, I think replacing the Oikotimes sources of every article is a bit extreme, since much information can't be found on other sites (I added a bunch of Oikotimes articles myself). Let's wait and hope it's temporary. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 04:38, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Chromium, running on Windows, used to block it a couple weeks ago, but it stopped doing it for me since then. Same for my antivirus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not A Superhero (talk • contribs) 04:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A link to a source from Oikotimes about Portugal was not blocked by Google, but when I reached the page my anti-virus software went crazy. I have removed links to this source as a precaution. I really do not know what is going on with that website. CT Cooper · talk 22:05, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i updated the norwegian article with correct information

information that i got from the official website of the norwegian selection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 23:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jedward to ESC or not?

According to EBU and ESCToday, RTE (Irish National TV company) have not decide how they will chose artist and song for ESC 2012. Therefore, I consider it inappropriate to have it written that Jedward will represent Ireland, when it is not yet decided. Sources: [6] & [7] /Hollac16 (talk) 10:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree. From what I can tell, RTÉ hasn't decided what selection process they will make for 2012 yet, so I would remove Jedward from the participants list until proper confirmation has been made by RTÉ on what they will do for Baku. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The articles from EBU and ESCToday seem to be very vague themselves - sorry to say that! Reading both articles (which are identically worded anyway), they state that Jedward have confirmed their representation for Ireland in Baku next year. Yet, on the other-hand the articles state that RTÉ haven't confirmed or denied this. This would suggest that either the EBU or ESCToday haven't contacted RTÉ yet to clarify it - especially when both websites have only just published their reports a few hours ago. Are we forgetting that there is a link from Digital Spy, which reports on an interview with RTÉ who confirmed Jedward will be Ireland's representatives in Baku? Not to forget the penned article in OK magazine, which Jedward wrote themselves - and in that it states "Jedward are doing ESC 2012"? Do you really think artists such as Jedward would really go around spreading lies and speculation? They'd only be red-faced in embarrassment if they were to do such an act. Wesley Mouse (talk) 16:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily Mirror state that RTÉ have "asked" Jedward to represent Ireland in 2012. Digital Spy announced on 16 October that RTÉ have asked Jedward to represent Ireland, and again on 28 October the same website report the confirmation. Even RTÉ have commented on the news. Wesley Mouse (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In many cases, as in the EBU, ESCToday and the RTE sources, there are question marks after the title, so there is still some uncertainty about it all. Therefore I would think that we should leave Jedward off of the page until there is official confirmation by RTE or by the EBU over their selection. In any case I don't think that just because an artist says they're going to compete that we should take them by their word in the case of an encyclopedia article. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 23:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree that Jedward shouldn't be on that list. The twins have only confirmed they'd be going back to Eurovision and that could just mean reentering at national finals stage (the OK column is heavily ghostwritten, so I don't think it counts as a direct source from them). The current rumour is that RTÉ want to run a national final like they did this year, but can't find many acts willing to compete now that Jedward - who, to be fair, are massively popular in Ireland - have said they are entering. ANB (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would it not be wise and compromising then to have create the Ireland in Eurovision Song Contest 2012 article, and have something mentioned in that about the alleged participation of Jedward? While keeping their name off the current table on this article? It does cover all angles then. I do find it strange however, that RTÉ's own website mention the news about Jedward, but they (RTÉ) neither confirm or deny the allegations. You'd have thought RTÉ would have seized that chance to set the record straight. Wesley Mouse (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And now, ESCToday have confirmed that Jedward will be in Irelands national final, just like last year. They have NOT been chosen as Irelands artist - yet. /Hollac16 (talk) 23:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the edits made to remove Jedward from the list of entrants and returning acts, could someone please change Ireland's status in the infobox from 'green' (act selected) to 'purple' (entering, but no act selected)? I'm not sure how to do this myself. ANB (talk) 23:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Andorra in the map

Why isn't Andorra yellow in the map? It says in the article that they have no plans to comeback... so why not yellow? CoolAbc (talk) 11:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is being left grey, until the official participation list is published later this year. As Andorra have stated they won't return, but would consider it if someone sponsored/funded it for them. In hindsight, it makes more sense to leave a country as grey, until a participation list is published, or make it purple if the broadcaster has 100% confirmed their intentions to take part. Wesley Mouse (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]
But what about Czech Republic? They are yellow? And they are not shure about don't participate! CoolAbc (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Check again CoolAbc. Czech Republic was altered to grey a few hours before you posted this thread after I mentioned about it in the discussion thread #Czech_Republic_on_map. Wesley Mouse (talk) 18:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well I didn't check! Sorry! CoolAbc (talk) 10:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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