Talk:Women in pre-Islamic Arabia

To Do List For Article:

Your section should be posted and finished or very complete by this coming up Sunday December 4th at Noon. Remember when writing your sections to make sure that you have included a linking sentence between your section and the person before your so it flows well.

Introduction-Hannah & Kayla

             Order of Topics and who is doing what:

                        Legal Status- Hannah ( if I mixed your topic up just correct the change but I a pretty sure that this is correct)
                        Treatment/ Humiliation- Kayla
                        Marriage Practices- Kelsi
                        Family (workings)/ Motherhood- Brittany
                        Female Infanticide- Sean

Conclusion- Sean

I will also take care of doing the Why We Chose this Topic, and the Brief Reflection of what the challenges were throughout this project. As far as for how to do the Actual Presentation we will talk about it on Thursday in class but I feel that we should all prepare to present on our sections that are assigned above. We will start off with Myself saying why we chose this topic, then It will go to a either Hannah or Kayla with an Introduction of our topic and presenting on the Introduction. From there we will work our way down the Order of our topics starting with Hannah and finishing with Myself in the order above. Then lastly I will fill the remaining time with our reflection of the challenges of this Project.--Swalrus007 (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Contributions

I contributed to the Legal Status and Treatment part with more focus on treatment. I mention how women were treated, touched upon some legal aspects in regards to husband and wife in order to highlight/understand how women were treated by their husbands and why. I also mention what time period women were considered human and discuss the disgrace that a baby girl brought to a new father. I also wrote the introduction and made significant edits to the article as a whole.--Kayla hope (talk) 20:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I as well worked with Kayla on the Introduction. We plan to make a few minor edits to it before the article is due. --Htulkoff (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I contributed to the Legal Status section of the article. I wanted the reader to be clear that there was no well defined governing system back during the pre-islamic era, and in fact it was the tribes that created the laws. I figured that after this misunderstanding was resolved I could further explain some of the expectations of the women during that time and what exactly they were allowed to do. I used two scholarly articles. One was 'A History of Islamic Law' by Noel J. Coulson and the other was "Islam and Woman: Where Tradition Meets Modernity": History and Interpretations of Islamic Women's Status written by jeri Altenu Sechzer. --Htulkoff (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I contributed to the the family structure and motherhood section of the article. I also added how interpreting Pre-Islamic Arabia is difficult and there are different views on the family structure during that time period.--Bpio075 (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion

Your right that there were different restrictions for women after Islam came about, but you should be careful about saying that Islam created more restrictions on women because almost every restriction and the roles of women in Islam were integrated from existing cultures. Also remember that it wasn't necessary the Quran that restricted women, it was different interpretations of the Quran, so not everybody had the same restrictions. Besides that, I think that this is a good topic to write about.--LittleDuck17 (talk) 01:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a good outline so far. It is a interesting topic with a lot of information. I think the topics you chose to look into can provide insight into the status of women in this time period. I look forward to reading more! --Lbeaulieu1 (talk) 18:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should take a look at the Women in Sasanian Society's article by another group in our class in order to try to figure out how to create a references section. I noticed that the Introduction has a citation (which I still can't figure out how to do!), but there is no references to refer to. Otherwise I think our article is going to be really good!--Kmstevens (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I like the article so far! I just think you guys need to make sure you reference correctly. I noticed that on the bottom of the article there was no way to access the sources you have used. --Eamodeo (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The introduction is interesting, although I think the last sentence may need a little rewording, or just a comma. Other than that, you’re off to a great start!--Khackett1 (talk) 19:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I like this article; however I think you might need more citations because all information needs to be cited. --Kerri grant (talk) 01:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You guys are doing a good job on your article. However, one thing I did notice is that in the Family Structure and Motherhood section, the first and third paragraph are talking about Pre-Islamic practices, but the second paragraph is talking completely about Islam and Muslims. Since this article is about Pre-Islamic times, I would consider removing that part or moving it to the end of the section, while clearly stating that it is discussing Islamic times. I would also consider linking this article to related pages. Otherwise, y'all have a decent article going.--LittleDuck17 (talk) 20:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems to be well developed in most areas, but I would also recommend linking the article to related pages. Kbeisaw (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

organization

I think we can re-look at our references because some of the same ones are posted more than once, and maybe remove the duplicates.--Bpio075 (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article shows that you've done a lot of research. However, the article is currently organized in a confusing way. The section "Legal Status and Treatment of Women in Pre-Islamic Arabia" could benefit from subsections that clearly indicate the information covered. Also, it might make sense to put the section on family structure closer to the beginning of the article and maybe separate it out from the stuff on motherhood. In general, think through the structure of the article and make sure it is logically organized. Also, the introduction should be above the contents and doesn't need a label. --Jdenbow (talk) 20:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]