Talk:The Sopranos

Crystal Meth and learning

In the section regarding season one it reads "Meadow and Hunter try to score Crystal Meth from Brendan and Chris in order to stay up late and study for their exams." Although I am not an expert I am quite sure that some students use Crystal Meth (Speed) for the sake of recalling memorized facts better during exams, and not to be able to stay up longer. Any opinions on this?

Christopher's poem

Hey I was wondering if anyone has seen that commercial on HBO with Christopher's poem. HBO has split the different sceens up from all episodes and made it into a poem. I was trying to show co-workers this but are unable to find it. Can someone please email it to me at nvallarelli@deltafudning.com if they know where to find this commercial, much thanks

The poem is now available on HBO.com if you're still interested. It's called Christopher's Def Poem. Sfufan2005 22:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)\[reply]

You are definetly not an expert. Meth will not improve your memeory. Trust me, I'm an addict. C-Meth will keep you awake for days, and the last think you will care about (in most cases) is an exam. Especially when you're dealing with someone who does not have a tollerance. They will tweak like mad, and enjoy it so much, they won't be able to ground themselves enough to study. Only a functioning addict could attempt to study for a test.

Timeframe?

What is meant by "The timeframe is not accurate however more approximate judging on weather, media and climate."

What does the climate and weather have to do with how long a season last and when it is aired?

What it means is that we don't exactly know what year it is until they tell it which is why you look what season it is:

Here's how I broke up the time difference between the seasons

Season 1: 1999, introduction year.
Season 2: 2000, a year after last season's events
Season 3: 2000-2001 Seeing Meadow graduated in June of 2000, and returns to college in September when the FBI plans their surveillance it would make sense. ...To Save Us All From Satan's Power is a Christmas-themed episode which would be Christmas of 2000. The following episode Pine Barrens would take place around January 2001 since it was winter.
Season 4: 2001-2002: Season 4 is probably the hardest because there is no mention of a year. We assume it begins in fall of 2001 since Uncle Junior's trial starts in October. And there is really no winter so it jumps a few months into '02.
Season 5: 2004: takes place two years after Tony and Carm's separation. Season 5 seems to jump a lot of the seasons: with a few episodes being in the spring, summer, fall and finally the winter (in the season finale).
Season 6: 2006: According to producers, Season 6 takes place two years after the death of Adriana and arrest of Johnny Sack.Sfufan2005 19:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Season 4 starting in Autumn 2001 would be backed up with the 9/11 Quasimodo reference from Bobby.

Gap in Production

Hi. Does anyone knows about the troubles that led to production of the show being suspended in 2003 (Season 4 ends in 2002, but Season 5 premieres only in 2004...)? I remember something about the show almost being cancelled, and that the source of the problem was (allegedly) James Gandolfini (maybe something about his salary?). I was surprised to see that there's no mention to it in the main article, and that really catches the eye when you're reading the episode list: you see that odd gap in production and naturally turn to the main article for an explanation... but there's none. Regards, Redux 22:43, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Main article needs to be changed, recent ads on HBO indicate the Sopranos will be back March 2006.

Changed. Added March 2006 premiere (with 12 eps) in addition to the final 8 eps airing in January '07. Sfufan2005 21:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

sopranos v star trek

My contribution to wikipedia, when I get around to it, will be to generally update entires (sic) on brain science to reflect newer, ascendant theories incorporating non-linear dynamics and notions of embodiment. (in case you don't get it, I'm freakin smart a'ight?!) So, I feel at least potentially justified in asking why it is that the sopranos, which is probably the most ambitious, most subtle piece of drama ever to appear on TV in any country during my lifetime, receives such a tiny entry when compared to the ridiculous star trek. Bear in mind - I've been watching star trek since I was very young. I love it. But, it does not merit extensive coverage; it makes only very rudimentary points about, well, anything interesting before it retreats into simple wish fulfilment and fantasy.

Might it be a worry that wikipedia in general somehow makes a correlative retreat?

I'd be keen to open a discussion about that, and mechanism to remedy the problem.

C dot M dot REVELEY ===?AT?=== SUSSEX dot AC dot UK

The amount of mention that each topic merits on WP is a matter of opinion, and WP does not make it its policy to opine on such things. Rather, advocates of either property should simply contribute material that they feel is appropriate. If you feel The Sopranos is missing info that you could add to it, then do so. It is a non-sequitur, however, to argue that the validity of its content should be judged solely by comparing it to Star Trek. Like it or not, Trek has been a cultural phenonmenon for almost 40 years, and because its canonical output alone includes six television series and ten feature films, it is natural that it will have more extensive coverage than a TV show that's only been on for several years. Since it probably has more worlwide fans of several generations, it is understandable that more Wikipedians will have an interest in contributing to its articles, which is what determines their extent. Not one individual's opinions of which is more "ambitious" or "subtle" or marked by "wish fulfiment" (unless there's a WP policy that I've missed. :-))Nightscream 03:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John Tiffen Patterson

I've snipped the non-sequitur See also link to John Tiffen Patterson. If there's really a need to randomly single out this minor detail (Allen Coulter and Tim Van Patten have directed as many episodes, and Steve Buscemi, Peter Bogdanovich and David Chase himself are much more notable helmers), it should be done in a credits section à la Dawson's Creek#Credits, but personally I think such lengthy lists clutter up Wikipedia with info that belongs on (and is inevitably copied from) iMDB.

chocolateboy 17:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. – flamurai (t) 17:21, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Breaking up article a little

Personally I feel the episode list should be moved to its own article. Perhaps List of episodes from The Sopranos. I also think that we should streamline the list of characters given that we have an article on the subject List of characters from The Sopranos. The character tables could be moved there in favor of a shorter list here of the bare necessity. K1Bond007 June 30, 2005 02:17 (UTC)

There's already one... List of The Sopranos episodes. Someone added it to the main article though. Just relocated it. You can revert if you like. Sfufan2005 June 30, 2005 02:52 (UTC)
- Ahh.. thanks for pointing this out. K1Bond007 June 30, 2005 21:26 (UTC)
I agree, but I think it's more a matter of hoping that we get a User:SopranosFan of the caliber of our User:Sfufan2005 to add some of that pesky content to the article :-) It's quite a feeble article considering it's the greatest show of all time. Note that, rather than doing anything about it, I find it easier to rally other troops :-)

chocolateboy 30 June 2005 23:46 (UTC)

Glad to be of service for the greatest show besides SFU. How about adding to the article favorite quotes, Trivia, etc... a la Desperate Housewives. Sfufan2005 June 30, 2005 23:59 (UTC)

Capo di Tutti Capi?

This is about changing the section on Carmine Lupertazzi, where it says, "Capo di Tutti Capi of New York." The last "Boss of Bosses" was Salvatore Maranzano after him, the ruling body became the Commission, and no one person ran it all. On imdb.com, it mentioned that the family that Johnny Sack is now currently boss of is the Genovese Family. So should we change is summary for Carmine Lupertazzi, because in real life, that position doesn't exist anymore?----67.186.65.185

Trivia- Whitecaps

Just to make things clear: John Patterson directed the fourth season finale episode "Whitecaps" so whoever continues to change that is wrong. Sfufan2005 20:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Jr

Currently says "Associate in Ralphie's crew, Christopher's friend and partner in crime" for Jackie Jr. Here's Jackie Jr's story arc: Jackie wants to be in mafia, Jackie dates Meadow, Tony doesn't want Jackie in Mafia, Jackie breaks up with mafia, Jackie leads poker-game heist, Jackie is wacked. Look at the Jackie Aprile, Jr. wikipedia entry. He's not an accoiciate with Ralph, Ralph is merely giving him bad ideas (and that's just Ralph pretending to be a father). I definately wouldn't call him Chris' "friend and partner in crime." How about something along the lines of, "Son of former boss, had brief relationship with Meadow Soprano, desperate to make name for himself in the mafia." - Tim 06:54, Jan. 18, 2006

He actually in one episode he acts as a driver for chris in a robber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Still doesn't make him "friend and partner in crime." Chris used him to drive once. It's also not the most important thing about the Jackie Jr. character. The most important thing about him is 1. his relationship with Meadow and 2. his desire to follow in his father's footsteps. Tim 02:35, March 18, 2006

There's another scene from the pizza joint, where Chris and Jackie discuss business and Chris tells Jackie that Tony has no business telling him how to make a living. As far as being in Ralph's crew, you do see Jackie and Dino kick up to Ralphie and they ask him to watch their backs, so I would consider them associates. --M vopni 16:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

criticism addition

I added the following to the criticism section. It's actually quite a nice addition. I'd appreciate a response. thanks. From an analytical perspective, here's a comical summary of the nature of the series thus far: Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Jimmy Altieri was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Brendan Filone got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Big Pussy was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Richie Aprile got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Raymond Curto was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Jackie Jr. got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Jack Massarone was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Ralph Cifaretto got whacked. Tony fetched the paper in his robe. Adriana was a rat. Meadow needed to shut up. Tony Blundetto got whacked. And now...the sixth season premiere of The Sopranos. YAY! - Zarbon

This already got deleted (rightfully), but I just want to point out that Tony didn't fetch the paper at the beginning of season five. Tim Jan. 23, 2006 6:56.

- he fetched the paper in season 5 episode "Test Dream" in the plaza hotel, in his robe. so there. - Zarbon

You got that from the Two Tonys TWoP recap by Aaron, didn't you? Sfufan2005 20:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted. So Zarbon ripped off a Television without Pity recap word for word except for the "Yay!". (which is a commercial copyright breach by the way) here's the link: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/story.cgi?show=44&story=6372&limit=&sort=

I didn't rip it off. it's good to add. i'm still wondering as to why it shouldn't be added actually. It pretty much sums up the series so well, it's unmistakingly perfect. I just liked it for the fact that Brendan Filone was mentioned, since he's my alltime favorite character and all. - Zarbon

I think it is only fair that someone take Zarbon out back and shoot him. And of course, pick up a newspaper.

hey, as long as i get shot right in the eye, like Brendan Filone, I'm happy. - Zarbon

Major characters vs. Recurring characters

I propose to move the recurring characters to their own article since they are taking up way too much room on the main page. I was thinking of what the users on the Lost page, there are series regulars on the main page with just their name: e.g.

James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano
Lorraine Bracco as Dr. Melfi etc.

And on the characters page which is already in existence, we have the full list of characters with their linking page and for those characters who do not have a page, they receive a summary on the Characters page. If you don't understand me just check out Characters of Lost for more information. I just wanted to alert everyone before I started cleaning up the article. Sfufan2005 21:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parodies

Anyone reading this entry in order will not appreciate the mention and analysis of multiple parodies of the title theme appearing so early in the article. (this is a wikipedia tendency to come accross references to, say, the simpsons in some place where they really aren't of much use). Anyone agree? I'd like to just remove it but maybe someone wants to move it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.207.246.230 (talk • contribs)

I agree with you, I'll move the second half of the Title sequence section to the Praise/Criticism section. Sfufan2005 04:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the Accidental Blanking

Every time I try to fix one minor bit of wording, it seems the bottom half of the page gets blanked, and now even trying to restore prior versions isn't working. This is an aspect of WP that I admit I'm kinda in the dark about, so I'm sorry about that. If anyone else knows how to fix this, please go ahead and do so; I think I'll stay away from this article for now. :-( Nightscream 21:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dimeo crime family

How large is the dimeo crime family.

They don't exactly say. Do you mean just made men or including associates? Considering that there are 5 crews in the family and each crew has around 5-8 made guys in it, I say the total number is probably in the 30's plus another 40 associates.

To compare, Tony says in Season 6 that Phil has 200 soldiers in his family and it is one reason why he doesn't want to start a war. This would imply that NJ has far less members and would lose the battle on strength in numbers. --M vopni 19:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chris and Tony

Tony styles himself as a father figure towards Chris. However Tony clearly is to young to be chris's father, what is their age difference?

Well, Christopher is Carmela's second-cousin and Tony thinks of him as a "nephew" since they were always close like a "father and son". If Tony was born in 1959, he would be 47 in 2006 and since we don't know Christopher's age I'll use Michael Imperioli's age (40) as an example. So Tony would be about 7 years older. Other examples are that TOny and Tony B. went up to Uncle Pat's farm when they were about 18 and Chris was around 11 or 12. Sfufan2005 02:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Boss of the family

Who is the boss of the family? Tony, Mr. Dimeo, or Junior?

The boss in name is Uncle Junior. Dominic DiMeo was charged with a life sentence in 1995 and therefore loses his privledges as mob boss. Jackie Aprile was acting boss until his death in '99. Tony nominated Junior who took the role. However after the attempt on Tony's life (end of Season 1), Tony took away everything from Junior except his title. So Tony technically is considered the "street boss". Sfufan2005 02:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two make their relationship believable, they should have made their ages father apart, even if the actors ages are closer.

How much farther apart do you want them to be? Junior is 75 and Tony is 47. I say around 30 years is enough --M vopni 19:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

finance

Who owns the Bada Bing? Tony or Silvio? Most mobsters operate legitament bussiness or go through the motions of holding a regular job. They sometimes do this to advance money laundering. They also do this to give themselves a err of respectability. Whats Jobs/ bussiness' do the sopranos use as cover?

Silvio and his wife own the Bada Bing. Tony owns a percentage of Barone Sanitation, The Casino in Kearny (joint between NY & NJ), Satriale's Meat Market and the Stugots I & II. Sfufan2005 17:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uncle Juniors history

Besides his on going arrest has uncle junior or toneys father spent long periods in prison?

Tony's history

Who was the first person Tony ever killed?

Tony's succesor

If Tony dies from juniors shooting him (which is unlikely) who would likely take over as boss?

I think Paulie would, since he is the Underboss and Junior is incompetent. Sfufan2005 17:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Product placement

After watching Members Only one thing which sticks in my mind is the blatant product placement. We had enough about the Porsche Cayenne Turbo with the V8 and the little Porsche Boxster .vs. Corvette quip. From previous series I remember the Nissan 4x4, and the Cadillac Escalade with its crash protection saving Tony's and Adriana's lives. What's the background for this? Is HBO actively taking sponsorship? Does this merit a section in the main article?

No, I don't think this deserves mention in the article because there has been mention of brand names since the Pilot. Carmela uses Campbell's soup, the FBI likes Pepsi whereas The Sopranos like Coke. It would just be a long laundry list. Sfufan2005 17:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone can find a good article (not just something from a random blog) about product placement, I think it could be a worthwhile mention, just cite the article as a source. I don't think a list of all product placemeents would be very useful, but an explanation of their role in the show (financial and otherwise) would be interesting. --W.marsh 17:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I remember reading a New York Times article a couple of years ago or so where this Sopranos producer or executive basically lied and said one of the wonderful things about the Sopranos is that there is no product placement whatsoever and they only use real life products for authenticity. I found this very doubtful, given how much the Sopranos family loooooooooves Snapple and other such instances Bwithh 19:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also note the occasional product placement of other HBO programs in the show e.g. Curb Your Enthusiasm and Band of Brothers Bwithh 19:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not really the issue, but to me talking about products by using their product names adds to the authenticty of the dialog. Most of these people are materialistic and shallow, they place value on name brands, etc... Tim 21:36, March 18, 2006

I never noticed it until "Members Only." It was blatant and ridiculous. Volksgeist 13:03, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Join The Club we had AJ ask Meadow something about the Toyota Prius for no apparent reason. Then later he says something about the Mustang GT (I think it was) being better than a BMW M3 in horsepower figures. Google for Sopranos and "product placement" and you'll turn up quite a few people who comment on this: http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0603150036mar15,1,1509312.column?coll=chi-business-hed

I think there's a difference between "product placement" (which is taking money from sponsors to feature their products in a show, often with cross-promotion - ie. James Bond and BMW) and using name-brand products in a show to give it authenticity. It's jarring when a couple of wealthy guys are sitting around drinking no-name beer, as we've seen in the past. While some may doubt whether the spokespeople are telling the truth, the article should only feature sourced information. If it deserves mention in the article at all (which I'm dubious about) it should be something like "Sopranos is known for featuring name-brand products such as cars and clothing labels prominently. Spokespeople for HBO and the various products claim that no money is involved in these appearances, which are used to give the show a sense of authenticity." - dharm a bum 01:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox

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Enjoy. Andrew Levine 00:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Season 6; Episode 2: Chris an "informant"?

I take issue with the summary points for Epidsode 2 from Season 6 where it states that Christopher "is" an informant for the FBI. Just because there was one scene where he discussed Tony's condition in the Deli it doesn't verify that Chris is indeed a sell-out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.208.60 (talk • contribs)

Hi. Are you referring to this?

Eugene Pontecorvo, a Soprano family soldier who became a made man in the same ceremony as Christopher, is revealed to be an FBI informant

That is saying that Pontecorvo is an informant, not Christopher... and that's correct information, right? I couldn't find anything else on the page about Chris being an informant. If it is actually there, please fix it, or let me know which passage you're referring to so I can. Thanks. --W.marsh 00:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Symbolisom in the dreams

I've herd from many people, no one close with the show, but i've herd that there's a very deep meaning in the scenes when Tony is dreaming, and looking out the windows. Something about the lights on the horizon symbolizing the "choice" between hevan and hell, and half the city being pitch black, and the other half being lit. I'm unsure of what this all means, but i'm intrested in to see what the others users think.

~~gregmontalbano

The simpsons parody

Which episode was the parody of the sopranos' opening sequence on?

Formerly Starring

I'm personally against the formerly starring bit. we have all the supporting ppl in the character page. we don't need to have them listed again on the sopranos main page as formerly starring. people who click on the list of sopranos characters link will obviously see them. also, eugene and richie were never main characters. they were simply guest stars. - Zarbon

Yeah but its just not the characters; it's also the cast. What I intended with the "formerly starring" were the cast members that were in the opening credits (i.e. Marchand, de Matteo and Marchand) previously and were taken out after they left The Sopranos so I believe they still deserve to be credited since they were series regulars. Sfufan2005 02:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]