Talk:The Sopranos

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Cast list in infobox[edit]

I'm sure this has been discussed a bunch of times previously, but I've somewhat recently finished watching the series and plan on making some edits to the page. I've noticed the infobox just list five actors from the show, which seems a bit odd. I know the series has a very large starring cast, and I'm not suggesting to add every actor who was featured in the opening credits. My suggestion (at the very least) is the addition of Dominic Chianese, Tony Sirico, Robert Iler, and Jamie-Lynn Sigler. Adding those would be then be all the actors that were credited as series regulars for all six seasons. That's pretty reasonable. It just seems very odd why they're not included, especially when the infobox lists series editors who don't even have Wikipedia articles instead of listing the obviously more notable list of actors who played major roles. My second suggestion would be adding Aida Turturro, Drea de Matteo, and Steve Schirripa, who were all also essentially part of main cast for most of its run. That would bring the list to a clean dozen, and the 12 actors with the most episode appearances. At the very least, those four should be added. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't do it!
You are correct—all been said before.The clue is the line following the five listed: and others<!-- Partial list by consensus on talk page. Please DO NOT ADD to this list. --> Regards, — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
What's the reason though? How is someone who edited 20 or so episodes of the show who doesn't even have a Wikipedia article more important to list in the infobox than Dominic Chianese or Tony Sirico? Come on... The actors are the most important pieces of information when it comes to a TV series. The infobox should reflect the most important things. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It is all recorded in the archives—look it up! Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I've looked through the talk archives and read the conversation, and it didn't seem like there was any consensus to this, unless I'm missing something. Sorry to stir up an old conversation, I just feel pretty strong regarding my suggestion, as it's quite reasonable. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I was involved in the earlier conversation, and was very much in favor of the truncated list. That said, I would not object to the addition of the first four names you mention, for the reasons you give. But, I would object to adding the other three. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 02:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, as long as those four actors get added, I'm happy. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I feel that I should concede to that, providing it stops there. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:25, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, looks like we're in agreement—Chianese, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler can get added to the infobox. Before I add them, what order do we use? Since I notice Falco is listed second, although is billed third after Bracco (though I understand why you guys list her second on here). Either we use the billing order (Gandolfini, Bracco, Falco, Imperioli, Chianese, Van Zandt, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler) or the order on the official website, which is the same except Falco is before Bracco and Sigler is before Iler. We shouldn't mix and match like how Imperioli is bumped up. Final thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Follow the billing order — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The consensus never took into consideration the facts of what makes a character main versus primary or secondary, which is billing and casting. The main characters are the select 14 actors who were credited for episodes they did not appear in. The list is relatively short and is fact. The list should go as seen below, and anything otherwise is subjective. I opt to reopen the decision based on this fact. Geeky Randy (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

James Gandolfini
Lorraine Bracco
Edie Falco
Michael Imperioli
Dominic Chianese
Vincent Pastore
Steven Van Zandt
Tony Sirico
Robert Iler
Jamie-Lynn Sigler
Drea de Matteo
David Proval
Aida Turturro
Nancy Marchand

Production[edit]

There seems to be some info missing ... notably why the series ended. Was it always planned to only be 6 series? Similarly most of the production notes only seem to go to the pilot and nothing after that, surely ther must have been something that happened during the years it was produced? Chaosdruid (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed name change of article[edit]

For reasons fairly simple to comprehend, the article could be changed from The Sopranos to The Sopranos (TV series). This means the message at the top trying to prevent confusion would be defunct, and would make for a generally cleaner article. Edfilmsuk (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Oppose since the TV series is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and any disambiguation is unnecessary. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Support as per WP:2DABS but it's not a big deal. Edfilmsuk (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Oppose No disambig in the title is more aesthetically appealing. TheBearPaw (talk) 22:21, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Family drama[edit]

From our reliable sources, http://www.allmovie.com/subgenre/family-drama-d944 "A popular and well-worn genre, the family drama centers on conflicts at the heart of family life and family relationships. Not to be confused with family-oriented drama, family dramas can touch on such adult topics as incest and political violence. Though some American directors such as William Wyler, Orson Welles and John Ford have produced some defining works in this genre, the family drama carries a particular potency in Asia where the conflict between duties to family and individual desires are more charged. The preponderance of work by such Asian masters as Keisuke Kinoshita, Yasujiro Ozu, Mikio Naruse and to a lesser degree Hou Hsiao Hsien have been family dramas. Significant films in this style include Fanny and Alexander, Tokyo Story, City of Sadness, Magnificient Ambersons, Mrs. Miniver and Pather Panchali. ". How does Sopranos not fit this genre? 177.102.44.19 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)