Talk:The Sopranos

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Cast list in infobox[edit]

I'm sure this has been discussed a bunch of times previously, but I've somewhat recently finished watching the series and plan on making some edits to the page. I've noticed the infobox just list five actors from the show, which seems a bit odd. I know the series has a very large starring cast, and I'm not suggesting to add every actor who was featured in the opening credits. My suggestion (at the very least) is the addition of Dominic Chianese, Tony Sirico, Robert Iler, and Jamie-Lynn Sigler. Adding those would be then be all the actors that were credited as series regulars for all six seasons. That's pretty reasonable. It just seems very odd why they're not included, especially when the infobox lists series editors who don't even have Wikipedia articles instead of listing the obviously more notable list of actors who played major roles. My second suggestion would be adding Aida Turturro, Drea de Matteo, and Steve Schirripa, who were all also essentially part of main cast for most of its run. That would bring the list to a clean dozen, and the 12 actors with the most episode appearances. At the very least, those four should be added. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't do it!
You are correct—all been said before.The clue is the line following the five listed: and others<!-- Partial list by consensus on talk page. Please DO NOT ADD to this list. --> Regards, — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
What's the reason though? How is someone who edited 20 or so episodes of the show who doesn't even have a Wikipedia article more important to list in the infobox than Dominic Chianese or Tony Sirico? Come on... The actors are the most important pieces of information when it comes to a TV series. The infobox should reflect the most important things. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
It is all recorded in the archives—look it up! Cheers! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I've looked through the talk archives and read the conversation, and it didn't seem like there was any consensus to this, unless I'm missing something. Sorry to stir up an old conversation, I just feel pretty strong regarding my suggestion, as it's quite reasonable. Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I was involved in the earlier conversation, and was very much in favor of the truncated list. That said, I would not object to the addition of the first four names you mention, for the reasons you give. But, I would object to adding the other three. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 02:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, as long as those four actors get added, I'm happy. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I feel that I should concede to that, providing it stops there. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:25, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, looks like we're in agreement—Chianese, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler can get added to the infobox. Before I add them, what order do we use? Since I notice Falco is listed second, although is billed third after Bracco (though I understand why you guys list her second on here). Either we use the billing order (Gandolfini, Bracco, Falco, Imperioli, Chianese, Van Zandt, Sirico, Iler, and Sigler) or the order on the official website, which is the same except Falco is before Bracco and Sigler is before Iler. We shouldn't mix and match like how Imperioli is bumped up. Final thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Follow the billing order — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
The consensus never took into consideration the facts of what makes a character main versus primary or secondary, which is billing and casting. The main characters are the select 14 actors who were credited for episodes they did not appear in. The list is relatively short and is fact. The list should go as seen below, and anything otherwise is subjective. I opt to reopen the decision based on this fact. Geeky Randy (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

James Gandolfini
Lorraine Bracco
Edie Falco
Michael Imperioli
Dominic Chianese
Vincent Pastore
Steven Van Zandt
Tony Sirico
Robert Iler
Jamie-Lynn Sigler
Drea de Matteo
David Proval
Aida Turturro
Nancy Marchand

Family drama[edit]

From our reliable sources, http://www.allmovie.com/subgenre/family-drama-d944 "A popular and well-worn genre, the family drama centers on conflicts at the heart of family life and family relationships. Not to be confused with family-oriented drama, family dramas can touch on such adult topics as incest and political violence. Though some American directors such as William Wyler, Orson Welles and John Ford have produced some defining works in this genre, the family drama carries a particular potency in Asia where the conflict between duties to family and individual desires are more charged. The preponderance of work by such Asian masters as Keisuke Kinoshita, Yasujiro Ozu, Mikio Naruse and to a lesser degree Hou Hsiao Hsien have been family dramas. Significant films in this style include Fanny and Alexander, Tokyo Story, City of Sadness, Magnificient Ambersons, Mrs. Miniver and Pather Panchali. ". How does Sopranos not fit this genre? 177.102.44.19 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Genres in infobox[edit]

I removed two of the genres in the infobox, psychological drama and family drama, because the articles they linked to were not sufficient. Psychological drama was a piped link to psychological novel, which article never mentions tv or film examples, so is of no value to an article about a tv show. Family drama was a piped link to drama (genre), in which article there is no mention of family, except in regard to horror films, which is not relevant to this article. Crime drama is the only genre that has content relevant to this article. Those genres should not be reinstated without a good explanation. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 03:06, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Allmovie lists the series as family dram, psychological drama and the main one crime drama, I think all those should be linked to drama (film and television) Darunia02 (talk) 09:42, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Once again, the only relevant genre listed in that article is crime drama. Neither psychological nor family drama are listed. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 18:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I agree with TheOldJacobite. More than anything else, The Sopranos pertains to organized crime. That's the only aspect of the series that is consistently found in every episode. As such, the best descriptor is crime drama. If I look around the internet, I'm sure I could find half a dozen other genres used to describe the show, but that doesn't mean they should all be in the infobox. Infoboxes are succinct overviews, and there is no need for less significant genres that are questionable. Sundayclose (talk) 19:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Expansion of plot for each season[edit]

I enjoy when movie and tv shows have detailed plot summaries, and wanted to expand on the sopranos page. I wrote a detailed and, more importantly, accurate summary for season 5.

TheOldJacobite rejected the changes outright.

Is there any way to change this guy's mind? Some of the season summaries are not only too concise, they contain inaccuracies.

Is there any way to change this admin's mind about improving the plot summaries? Anything I can do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzy3113 (talkcontribs) 19:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Plot summaries should be as concise as possible, since Wikipedia is not a recap website. I suggest reading MOS:PLOT. If they contain inaccuracies, then they can be fixed, but they should definitely not be expanded, as they're quite lengthy already. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Drovethrughosts. Additionally, every episode has a separate article. Readers interested in more detail very likely will click on a season link, then click on the episode link for more details. This is the parent article for all articles related to The Sopranos, and as such it should not be dominated by one aspect such as plot summaries. Sundayclose (talk) 20:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)