Since I don't like chasing conversations all over Wikipedia, If you leave me a message, I'll answer it now in this Talk page, so please add it temporarily to your watchlist after writing here. drini☎
Thanks for your time -- I'm sorry to be wasting various resources.
Do you know if Special:Export will get its full-history exports feature back? If so, and it's not a problem, I'd prefer to leave the pages as redirects for a bit and get the histories.
But if they really should be deleted now, that's fine. I have archives of the current versions.
No thye don't have to be exported right now, take your time, when you're done with them, drop me a note. I don't know about that feature by the way -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:04, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks
Many thanks for reverting Squidward on my talk, although I couldn't help but laugh at his edit summary. :) Thanks again Banez07:35, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"I must note something very important for future editors of this page (also try to observe this for any non English speaking band or author... etc): If you see a single, album, dvd, concert, or book title that contains poor grammar, please consider that even though the English spelling or grammar may be incorrect, that it still may actually be the official title. If someone is searching for the single, and cannot find it the official way... then what good is wiki? Please do not tamper with titles unless you have found hard evidence that the title has been written incorrectly from the official spelling. also note, some OFFICIAL japanese titles are titled in all CAPS (or with stars and hearts or other "non-letter/number characters) this is NOT a mistake, please leave them like this. All one must do is observe the picture or written info of the single/album/book on the official page which is linked in the article at the bottom. Please help keep wikipedia encyclopedic and correct! Thank you. -- "
That's what a moderator announced. The original title of that release is AROUND THE WORLD, not Around The World.
It is NOT my opinion. On each artist page there is a Discography list. On this list are album and song titles that are in English, but since the Japanese artist doesn't speak English natively the OFFICIAL titles have spelling and grammar errors or symbols, or all lowercase, or all caps, HOWEVER this does NOT CHANGE the fact that those are the OFFICIAL titles, written the OFFICIAL way that the artist and record lable decided to use. For EXAMPLE, on the Shaka Labbit's page, there is a list of albums. One of the albums is called "Exploring of the space" EXACTLY LIKE THAT, someone who doesn't know j-music went in and ASSUMED it was wrong and changed the OFFICIAL "Exploring of the space" album title to "Exploring Space" which is WRONG and DOES NOT EXIST. If someone came to wiki and wanted to know who made the album called "Exploring of the space" and that edit was not fixed they would not be able to find the correct page. When you do a wiki search it searching all words within the article, by the way. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WIKILINKS, EVER. Anyone who didn't understand my comment clearly needs to learn to let information soak in before having a knee-jerk reaction. That's all. Just sayin'. Good day. -- NatsukiGirl\talk02:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
someone who claims to be extremely intelligent, should be able to realize after I point for the n-th time that UseR:Clouded was understanding your paragraph as he should move articles changing the titles. This is not about you. It is an objective fact that your text confused other users and made them move the articles. So yes, your text was confusing. You may not have said about wikilinks, yes but other people (NOT ME) understood it that way and so I had to clarify it. So it's YOU who sould stop the kneee-jerk paranoid reactions, throwing words like stupid, hypocrit, etc. Stop it. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For the LAST time, it is NOT my fault that people cannot read. Try to backpedal all you want, it says RIGHT UP THERE you were challanging my opinion... but it wasn't an opinion, it was a reminder of a rule that is basically already in place. ONCE AGAIN I'm right, you're wrong, and if people can't read and udnerstand and make propor edits this is in NO WAY my fault. -- NatsukiGirl (not logged in)
Simply because wikipedia needs correct information, and those are the original titles. Japanese industry is different from occidental, and you'll never see Ami's song written "Around The World" never anywhere. Clouded04:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar with all the sites you listed, but right off the bat I'm eager to inform you that CDJapan is NOTORIOUS for mispelling official titles. For example, YUKI's single "nagai yume" (trans: long dream) was listed for a long time on CDJapan as "Bye Bye." CDJapan is a store, not an info site. You are losing this battle, and rightfully so. -- NatsukiGirl\talk02:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot lose a battle that only exists in your head. I'm not fighting with you or anyone. I'm sad you think everything is a fight to you. This is not the first time, as you pointed it. Again. I'm not fighting you. I'm not having a contest to you. I'm not trying to win or lose. That is all in your head -- ( drini's page☎ ) 06:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The point is, you and other people need to back off from artists you don't know very well. For example, someone like you who doesn't now YUKI or Shaka Labbits or Judy and Mary has NO business trying to make crucial edits to those pages. As I fan I have a ROCK SOLID understanding (and a full collection of CDs, books, and goods as reference) of the titles and how they officially are. I don't need English grammar majors swooping down thinking they are going to edit the official title of a song they've never even HEARD OF. One of the early singles by Shaka Labbits, for example, is called ROLLIE. Not rollie, not Rollie, and not Rolly... it's ROLLIE. So on the discography list, I put 'ROLLIE' and no one should change it. -- NatsukiGirl\talk02:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you should backoff shouting people when you get your facts wrong. I was not discussing song or album names, I was discussing article titles. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 06:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What facts are wrong? I said "On each artist article do not change the titles of albums and singles because you think the grammar is wrong or it doesn't look good stylistically... titles of books, albums, singles... etc do not fall under "grammar" check rules... that's OBVIOUS." IF YOU ARE DISCUSSING ARTICLE LINKS/TITLES and not the NAMES OF PUBLISHED WORKS then why are you harassing me and quoting my note and saying you challange me and that the bad edits of other people is my fault? This is ABSOLUTLY ASININE. I honestly think you may have a mental condition, no... seriously, you have issues. My note was nothing but CORRECT and HELPFUL, and you somehow, with some weird fallacy ridden warped train of thought are trying to accuse me ofthings I didn't say, and blame me for the mistakes of other people. No way, I'm not putting up with such harassment. Anyway, this STUPID conversation is over, if you make any edits to things that cause them to be incorrect and unencyclopedic I will report you. END OF STORY. Now start behaving like a good wikipedian. -- NatsukiGirl (not logged in)
I'm not harassing you. First. Your notes caused other people misunderstanding you. So I had to challenge they, since they were taken as if they were policy. I'm sorry if you can't live with that.Your note may have been correct and in good intention, but it caused collateral damage. No one has accused you of anything. No one is out to get you. If you feel you have to report me fine, go ahead. I'll report you as well for being rude and incivil. I didn't edit the content, realize that. Now start behaving like a good wikipedian and stop insulting and attacking other wikipedians. 17:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Ehhh if you look well, that's not the link of Ami's album or single "AROUND THE WORLD", that's Ami Live DVD "SUZUKI AMI AROUND THE WORLD LIVE HOUSE TOUR 2005" (Anyway in CDJapan the title of that release is written wrong; i will e-mail them for people to don't make mistakes again like you're doing now).
and I'm talking reliable pages, not asian shoping pages where people writes the names whatever they want.
Really if you are a moderator here you should inform yourself better before protecting a page that is with an incorrect title.
Yes I'm pointing that your claim was false. Both ways are also seen. Also, if the cdcover were done in Arial font, would that mean not using arial makes the title incorrect? No, because typesetting bears no relevance to proper title. I'm informed about wikipedia conventions, and I'm enforcing them. Natsuki opinion was just that, an opinion, and so far I've seen no clear consensus to break a well stablished article naming convention. meta:The_wrong_version
CDJapan is NOTORIOUS for mispelling official titles. For example, YUKI's single "nagai yume" (trans: long dream) was listed for a long time on CDJapan as "Bye Bye." CDJapan is a store, not an info site. -- NatsukiGirl\talk03:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Really, if you want to be an editor, you should inform better about our procedures and guidelines. Article title is NOT incorrect. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 04:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes, it is incorrect, and those sites that you posted (jpophelp and japan today?) are not even japanese sites, and they're making the same mistakes that you're doing now. But anyways as i'm not a moderator of anything i can do anything more about this... You would like to change also all the titles that are in capitalizations of Japanese singles and albums also. (Try looking in Ayumi Hamasaki article, were "wikipedia conventions" are being broken in many of the singles and albums. Good luck. Clouded04:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not discussing the album name. I'm only stating (and standing for) tht the article title is the correct one as I protected it. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The correct article title is the one that follows the guideline. for instance "KAMEN" song is not named "KAMEN (song)" but "KAMEN", right? so the title is wrong!! it's not equal to the album's name!!. But thanks anyway for the list. I'll fix those as well. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you know, I've decided not to take part of the issue anymore. So what people decides, will be, (be it caps or no caps) It's not really my problem. I'm not reverting anymore, but I?m not unprotecting either (for now) given that no discussion about it was shown to me. But really, whatever it happens, I'll be fine with it. I'm not even looking at it anymore. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But Clouded was talking about article title/links. And since he moved it several times and refused to understand , I had to protect the articles for some time. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 20:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But i think it's not fair... now i can't add information to the AROUND THE WORLD articles that i was about to add like the producers and other stuff, and articles like MY STORY and RAINBOW are still in that way >.<
ok, I will unprotect if you promise not to move them back until further consensus is gained. (by the way that talk page was not policy, just an opinion) -- ( drini's page☎ ) 06:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for future suggestion, when you want to discuss/dispute something that effects all pages, reply to them with a link back to here, instead of your opinion, so that the discussion OP can be sure that all people seeing it won't think it went un discussed. I don't want to have to run around and answer hem all, however, if you go back though and put links back to your talk page, explaining to come here for discussion, everyone can join in and be in the right place and get all the replies. Thanks. -- NatsukiGirl\talk19:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would help if you weren't putting ambiguous statements on a lot of talk pages which caused people to believe there's a "policy" (sic) that tells them to move the article titles to all uppercase. And if it was indee discussed, you should've provided links to the central discussion when you posted your message in dozen of talks. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 20:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't ambiguous, and it didn't tell anyone to change any freaking article titles. Like I said, READ CAREFULLY. You are a piece of freaking work, you know that right? This is NOT an issue need to understand, it is WELL within my juristiction as an avid j-music collector to inform NON-fans who like to correct spelling and grammar everywhere that SOME ASIAN SONGS TITLES LISTED under discography on the artist pages SHOULD NOT BE TAMPERED WITH. I am SICK of your crap. Learn to read and process information or get off wiki. You CANNOT change the title of a book or CD just because you don't like how the grammar looks... this is ALREADY a wiki rule. People just knee-jerk correct grammar on titles without thinking about if it's really a mispelling, or if it's purposeful or official. THAT is what I was preventing from happening with my note. If you look at the Shaka Labbit's page for example, there is an album called "Exploring of the space" some idiot came in and changed it to "Exploring Space" which is NOT THE TITLE OF THE CD. Do you get it? I don't have all day to explain this to you. Also, I have no idea who Cloud is, and if you would like to argue with his issue, please move it away from mine. Also, if it was reading my note that made Cloud change a link, then you should yell at him, and he shouldn't be allowed to make edits if he can't read and think critically. -- NatsukiGirl\talk02:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Background. User:Clouded was the user who was moving the articles out of place, and kept doing it so until I move-protected the pages. And when I asked why, he pointed to your posts. That's all. I'm not chasing you. No one is out to get you. An user provided your text as reason for his actions, so I droped notes on your text so other clueless users won't move the articles again.
Objective fact. Your wording was causing other users to move articles out of their place. So yes, your wording may have been a little confusing. I'm sorry if you have problemswith you believing to speak english at a god-like level yet writing texts that confuse other users (for the (n+1)-th time, User:Clouded was confused, not me. Realize it before you engage inn more rants). -- ( drini's page☎ ) 05:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Easter to all of you, and I hope that this version may fix your current problems and perhaps provide you with a few useful new tools. You can download version 1.1 at User:AmiDaniel/VandalProof. Let me warn you, however, to please be extremely careful when using the new Rollback All Contributions feature, as, aside from the excessive server lag it would cause if everyone began using it at once, it could seriously aggitate several editors to have their contributions reverted. If you would like to experiment with it, though, I'd be more than happy to use my many sockpuppets to create some "vandalism" for you to revert. If you have any problems downloading, installing, or otherwise, please tell me about them at User:AmiDaniel/VP/Bugs and I will do my best to help you. Thanks. AmiDaniel (Talk) 06:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Happy Easter!
It's bunny time - Happy Easter Drini! (I recommend a tall glass of cold beer to help the chocolate go down). --Alfmelmac 16 April 2006
Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. — FireFox • T[16:22, 16 April 2006]
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Hey Drini it's me User:Axl Reisdorff with a different Username I'm back with a vengence along with the whole DN group. April 16,2006 Skull Crusher.
Since I don't like chasing conversations all over Wikipedia
Do as I say not as I do huh? Next time read what people wrote carefully. You are arguing over my opinion that info within articles should be correct... as if I had said wikilink text should be all caps or something. You need to not assume things and read carefully before chasing MY discussions around and making making me have to run all over. I think you should go around and inform everyone on the j-music talk pages that you have a discussion about it here. You are being very annoying and hypocritical by causing such a tizzy over something you were incorrect about in the first place. Unprotect all the pages you locked down because no one CARES about your link convensions, we only want the article body text itself to contain the correct info. -- NatsukiGirl\talk19:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't the first time I've had to correct you on something either... I'm starting to wonder about you. People who rush around making changes without knowing what is going on disturb me... wikipedia doesn't need that kind of headache to add to all the other problems it has. -- NatsukiGirl\talk19:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not chasing you, so stop calling me hypocritical. All this surfaced since Clouded kept moving the article titles, and when asked about it, he pointed me to you. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 20:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ok Natsuki, so now it's time for me to correct you. The whole argument happened because Clouded was moving back the article "All around the world (album)" to "ALL AROUND THE WORLD", and when fixed, he kept redoing it so. I asked him why, and his reply here I quote: according to the new policy about Japanese music he was entitled to. I asked about it and he told me that you were the one saying it. You write:
I wasn't talking about article title/link, I was talking about the info WITHIN the article. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 19:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
but then you didn't state it otherwise, you weren't clear enough. And people were moving article titles0 to all uppercase. And that was I was trying to explain to Clouded, that I was not talking about song names, but about article titles.
No one is arguing about the LINK name, I was ONLY talking about how the text appears when being read within the article. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 19:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes I agree, you weren't arguing about it, but Clouded was, and it was because of your many posts. So don't tell me "no one" is arguing about the article title now. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 20:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It as most CERTAINLY NOT from my posts. It's because Cloud made the mistake I suppose I'm accusing you for. Now that you understand what my notes are for go punish Cloud and stop accusing me of saying things that I didn't say. As my notes ALL CLEARLY STATE I'm talking about the lists of albums and singles in the discography sections of each artist page. People keep going in and correcting spelling and grammar on official titles on ARTIST pages. I said NOTHING about album or simple pages... ARTIST pages. Thank you. -- NatsukiGirl\talk02:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My role is not to punish. Sorry if you think yourself as somebody who should punish those who make mistakes. If you think Clouded misunderstood your words, and feel he should be punished, do it yourself. -- ( drini's page☎ ) 06:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know COMMIE DOG ATTACKER !!!!!!!!!
COMMIE DOG ATTACKER !!!!!!!!! is having a blast with just 2 users here and I can go for days, weeks & months. But I'll leave [[User:CJK] and User:172 right after this edit you since you seem to love me soooooooooooo much in blocking. --COMMIE DOG ATTACKER !!!!!!!!!
Why did you block me form editing the Russell Lissack page?
My aditions were (i think) informative and helpfull. Unlike the current article, and i would appreciate knowing why you did this.
I am pretty new to Wikipedia so if you actually have a valid reason i would like to know so that i could avoid manking the same mistake while editing other articles.
Thanks,
Sam.
someone needs some help
LOL
natsukigirl, in your mind you think you're always right, don't you?
i'm sorry if you have some sort of weird paranoid psychosis and think everyone's out to get you. Try seeing a shrink.
(new wiki user)
The kneejerk banning of people on Wikipedia, particularly, highly contributative editors, is bad practice, and probably breaks a number of Wikipedia policies. I suggest you unblock those that you have recently blocked for no valid reason, or this case will be brought up directly to Jimbo Wales, who I am very good friends with, and have beer with every Tuesday night. Consider this the one and final warning. Cptchipjew19:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
