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GA Reassessment

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This article should be reassessed. Ted Frank of the neoconservative AEI vetted Sarah Palin. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] I tried adding a section about that to the article, which seems a lot more important than the stuff that was in there, and was told it couldn't be included because there are "next to no sources" and that I made "invalid edits". Why are the edits invalid? Doesn't it violate NPOV to mention a radio interview but not the two most notable news stories about Frank? There's also lengthy discussion about a case Frank lost without mentioning that Frank lost the case. There is a large mismatch between what reliable sources say about Frank and what the article says about Frank. There's uncited stuff praising Frank, but my cite-needed tags were removed without explanation. I have complained about NPOV in this article several times. 64.55.78.101 (talk)

Again I ask you to stop with the conspiracy theories and address exactly what you want altered. You are bringing to light sources which were only published last week. Write in bullet points on the article talk page exactly what you want added and reliable sources to back it up and I'll respond and change/add it if I think its correct. Which case did he lose where it isn't mentioned. Contrary to your belief, nobody is hiding anything and it may just be you are more familiar with Ted's work than I am. I belief I wrote a pretty good article based on the sources I had at the time and I think its clearly GA quality and I'm sure others would agree. Some adjustments can be made to meet your concerns, but please stop with the attacks. The article would not have passed GA if it was strongly a POV.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Right I looked at your edits exactly and the majority of its was inappropriate.

" In 2004, Frank won $215,000 investing in Greg Raymer in that year's World Series of Poker. Frank used the money to leave the full-time practice of law and engage in writing. But he lost thousands of dollars betting on the movement of Wal-Mart stock in the aftermath of Wal-Mart v. Dukes when he incorrectly predicted the result of the case. rank "comes across as more of an eccentric professor than a crusading lawyer."[1] He "has slicked-back hair, favors dark suits, and looks altogether like a member of the Federalist Society, which he is."[2] This is unencyclopedic trivia. Its none of our business what he does with his money and its unrelated to what is encyclopedic, his legal career. It is inappropriate to take swipes at his appearance. The one solid point I can see is that GQ has recently cited the document as the most infamous in vetting history. I've added that to the article and I agree it should now have its own section. But you state "the public perception that it was a failure" is POV and a gross generalization.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please show me where the GA reviewer considered the POV problems in this article. This is why I'm asking for a reassessment. The GA review was sloppy, and just looked at the length of the article without looking at the content, or considering unsourced POV-like advertising. And I see no evidence that the GA reviewer did independent research and considered the omissions in the article.
  • We can delete the personal appearance unless other people want it in. I thought it was interesting, and so did multiple reliable sources. But your bias is showing. Every other article has a photo, so it's not true that personal appearance isn't encyclopedic. And the best Wikipedia articles include personal appearance descriptions when reliably sourced: see, for example, the GA Abraham Lincoln ("Despite his inelegant appearance—many in the audience thought him awkward and even ugly").
  • The "money" stuff is notable. Frank's Wal-Mart bet was covered by multiple sources that are more notable and reliable than the sources in this article. Your decision that it's not notable is original research: reliable sources thought it notable.
  • The "public perception that it was a failure" is reliably sourced in an article about Frank, and is included in other Wikipedia articles. It's not POV to include both sides of the story; my edit included Frank's defense.
  • You haven't defended or sourced any of my other critiques, so I will edit accordingly. 64.55.78.101 (talk) 13:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference wsj was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference gq was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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