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Plot summary

Doesn't Hernandez survive the crash and get killed by the wolves while on watch? I think Lewenden is fatally injured in the crash and talked through death by Ottway, not Hernandez. Abadguitarist (talk) 09:13, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The summary of the ending

If I remember correctly, the letter wasn't written to his wife, it was suicide note written to his loved ones. It was originally supposed to seem like a letter to her before it was revealed that she was dead. I would change the page myself, but I wanted some confirmation on this. 75.162.51.132 (talk) 01:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, the letter was addressed to Ana. She was "the loved ones" receiving the suicide note. There is ambiguity in revealing his contemplation of suicide and Ana's death, but the (suicide) letter itself is addressed to Ana. --Abadguitarist (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, I changed the second reference to the letter/note at the end of the film just to read "his letter." Hopefully this satisfies you while also cutting a couple words out of the summary. I maintain that in the close-up shots of the letter as he writes it at the beginning of the film Ana's name is visible on the paper as the recipient. --06:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abadguitarist (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I couldn't remember if it said her name on the note at the beginning. It wasn't important to me at the time, so I didn't notice. 75.162.51.132 (talk) 02:01, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Post Credit Sequence

as i write this the main article says.

In a brief post-credits scene, the back of Ottway's head is seen laying on top of the still-breathing Alpha wolf's stomach, leaving it ambiguous as to whether or not he survived.

i don't think this is a reflection of the facts. Principally there is no way we can identify it as the Alpha wolf. logically there doesn't seem to be a way it can be. as the film ends he is about to fight the alpha wolf. one of them has to die, the film makes this clear. if ottway is dead then he wouldn't be dead on top of the alpha wolf. the the alpha wolf is dead it wouldn't be breathing. the most likely interpretation is that he has now been accepted into the pack by defeating the alpha. Flagpolewiki (talk) 11:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree... I think that acceptance into the wolf pack is one of the less likely meanings for the last scene. Assuming it is actually supposed to be a live sequence (and not a metaphor/dreamscene), it would suggest that the alpha wolf has indeed been defeated and is taking it's dying breaths and that Ottway is either, a) lying exhausted on him, having a rest before continuing on his adventure, or b) (more likely) has also let death 'wash' over him (can't remember the exact expression used in the film). In either case Ottway has found his peace. 211.31.37.109 (talk) 12:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ottway is dead. The common thread throughout the group of survivors is that each of them had a deceased loved one. This is what Ottway realizes when he stops and goes through the wallet photos, and why the director finally reveals that Ottway's wife is also dead. This is the literary response to Ottway's challenge to God, and it's why he can accept his fate. The end of the movie makes no sense if Ottway survives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.188.29 (talk) 11:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no sense to me that a dead Ottway is on top of the wolf. How could this possibly happen? as for 'the literary response to Ottway's challenge to God'.... Flagpolewiki (talk) 08:13, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Budget

An IP edit changed the 20 mil budget (with Variety ref) to a budget of 34 with an IMDb ref. This was the original source for the budget of 20 mil. I have also found in this article a quote from director Carnahan saying the film was made for under 25mil. Variety is a reliable industry source that also appears in print, so with these two sources the budget is a range from 20-25mil. Does anyone have a reliable source for the budget of 34mil? --Abadguitarist (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stupidly I must have only checked Box Office Mojo before when looking for a budget. The Numbers has it listed at 25 million and sourced to THR on the film's page here. I have edited the budget data and ref'ed The Numbers. --Abadguitarist (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha and Omega males?

Can someone who has seen this film check this and similar remarks:

The wolves are close by and the survivors meet the alpha male wolf who sends an Omega male to test Diaz.

I smell synthesis based on someone's pet project on wolf behaviour. Unless the terms Alpha and Omega male are in the script ( an exposition scene, perhaps) ths is blatant WP:OR. Britmax (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC the terms are used in the film, in that particular exchange of dialogue and elsewhere, and as such don't think that's OR

On a related note, the capitalization of "Alpha/alpha" (and omega) shifts throughout the article and is frequently changed in edits. It's not consistent; does anyone know which is correct? On Alpha (ethology) it's not capitalized, but editors on this page seem to think it's a proper noun. --Abadguitarist (talk) 15:22, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The words "Alpha" and "Omega" are used in the movie. It wasn't stated that the alpha sent the omega, but the pack at large: "They sent an omega. An outsider". As for capitalization, the term is used in the movie similar to the title "king", so I would think similar capitalization rules would apply. In this case, the title and name of the wolf could be interpreted as "The Alpha". I don't remember them saing "alpha male", it was just "the alpha". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.6.139 (talk) 07:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Carnahan has responded by downplaying the significance of the violent wolves portrayed in the film, instead highlighting the significance of man's interior struggle for survival." Ah, so that's when Carnahan started pretending that his Hollywood action movie was actually a deeper movie about mind and man. At least, that's the impression I get from that line. 125.253.96.175 (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha wolf is female?

In the last paragraph of the plot summary there is a sentence that reads: "He is soon spotted by the alpha wolf and realises that it is female while the other pack members back off." Where exactly did this come from? Is there a source, or is this pure original research? In the version I saw, at least, Neeson's character makes no comment about the gender of the alpha wolf, and no real hint is given that it might be a female. It's a minor detail but nonetheless it should be changed if it's inaccurate. Thoughts? 99.99.166.46 (talk) 06:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

there's certainly no reference to it in the film. Flagpolewiki (talk) 12:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

the claim to have a fact sheet on the movie website

is false, it claims "Open Road has responded by placing a fact sheet about the gray wolf on the film's official website" which I considered to be an interesting read, so went to find said fact sheet to enlighten myself. this is the official website http://www.thegreythemovie.com/ I have hunted all over it and there is no fact sheet to be found, so it might be a different website whoever wrote that means or it is just false information. Wolfvixen (talk) 23:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gray Wolf vs Grey Wolf

Even though the film is called "The Grey", the wolf is a "gray wolf" so I changed references correcting the spelling for the wolf.AbramTerger (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Undid revision back to "gray wolf". Keeping the animal name consistent within wikipedia. "Gray wolf" is a specific type of wolf, it is not just an adjective color description of a wolf. AbramTerger (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Horror Film?

Shouldn't this film be classified as horror/supernatural? The wolves are clearly not real wolves and appear to have supernatural powers:

They are much larger and stronger than real wolves (it takes a half dozen shot gun shells to put the weakest of them down). They are not afraid of humans (or anything else). The alpha is black with glowing green eyes. There are hundreds of them in the pack instead of the usual half-dozen. They can roar and howl with an amplified volume. They don't eat what they kill. They can communicate telepathically ("They sent the Omega in first"). They have the ability to leap across a thirty foot river gorge without harming themselves.