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NOTICE: Not original article, was split off

This was NOT the original article (so the history in The Grantville Gazette matters for older records) covering the wider commonalities for the various articles on the Grantville Gazettes (Vol-I through Vol-VIII, as of this writing, though ten are under contract to Baen Books per Eric Flint.

The First Book title issues

The original 'first-book' title in this sub-series is the one of the print edition, The Grantville Gazette. However, that title was applied while it was still an experment in publishing, and not an ongoing self-funding mult-volume sub-series and a financially successful concern and the soul if not the heart of an historic collaborative publication.

As a consequence of the seven currently extant volumes, the decision was made to split and reorganize the coverage on these works today since I am a unanomous committee of one working this project. FrankB 04:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As of 4/27/06

The Grantville Gazettes (new - 4/27/06) supplants the general article formerly under this title with the same unupdated contents heretofore held under the title (The Grantville Gazette [singular!] ). That is to say, the article The Grantville Gazettes is a type of main article that will explain and tie the various grantville gazette articles together and be linked to from within each of those.
The Grantville Gazette, since it is the title of the eBook and print published work will cover the original first book published by this common name.
Article sequence titled: Grantville Gazette II, Grantville Gazette III, ..., Grantville Gazette VII etc. have been or will soon be created coresponding to their respective works. This will allow each publications works to have the proper amount of coverage, and maintain overall flexibility.

FrankB 05:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Publication History

There are 14 (XIV) issues. The main 1632 article and this one are seriously lagging behind. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.250.22 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 18 September 2007

There's currently 31 volumes as of September 2010. Bizzybody (talk) 06:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now there are 32 volumes. Bizzybody (talk) 05:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

36 volumes. Who's updating this article, or not? Bizzybody (talk) 06:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, I've left wikipedia for the most part. Jump in and be BOLD! // FrankB 19:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

41 volumes now. I don't know the publication dates. I'll let someone who knows where to find that data be the bold one. Bizzybody (talk) 06:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I entered the publication dates (from Baen) and the book dates (from Amazon) up to #41. This section is no longer "as of" five years ago, so I gave the talk section a new name.Gossg (talk) 06:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gazettes

There should be a note stating that the e-versions and print versions are not exactly the same. And probably something about the differences 70.51.9.170 (talk) 06:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article treats the Roman Numeral title as equivalent to the Arabic numeral title. This is incorrect. Several numeric Gazettes are gathered into each paper (Roman Numeral) Gazette, with some of the magazine stories left out and an additional story written just for the hardcover. The table at the end of this article needs to get a lot more complex. Gossg (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Gazettes section needs almost a complete re-write, and I'm not sure how to lay out what I have in mind, and I'm not sure I know enough to do it right. I'm reading five or six years behind where the series is now.

The note that 70.51.9.170 wanted is covered by what I wrote as an introduction to my "Stories" section, but this is out of view when looking at most of the "Gazettes" section. Shrug. Gossg (talk) 20:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I bit the bullet and rewrote the table layout to reflect the fact that book volumes no longer match the magazine volumes. The first column, with Roman Numerals (supposedly only used on book volumes, in a rule that Baen breaks a lot) was now only confusing, so I removed it. The book volume is now placed on the line where stories are not put into previous book volumes. But book VI goes back supposedly to mag 6, according to Demarce's grid notes (link in heading). Making that "clear" would make the table unreadable. Perhaps the "book volume" could list all books that contain stories from a given magazine, with commas. I only have book V and won't be buying more, so someone else would have to do that. I also updated the magazine dates up to #41 and the book publication dates up to # VI. e-zine subscription date (as opposed to official publication date) is not confirmed on these mag entries. If you "citation req" me, I'll blank out the column on the entries I made (shrug). Gossg (talk) 06:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stories

I started to cross-reference the mag versus book lists and decided to do a full-up list of all the stories. The ROF stories should probably be added to this list once it's brought up near-to-date in the Gazettes. Sometime about then, it probably will deserve its own page. For now it fits well enough under "Grantville Gazette". Other editors may want to disagree with me about more or fewer columns or "series names". Shrug. I'll cross that when the disagreement comes up.

I'm not sure if there's a way to build tables in Excel and import the entire lump into wiki.Gossg (talk) 20:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arrgh. Flint is inconsistent with his Roman Numeral versus Arabic distinction. I have an electronic purchase that came from Baen with a file showing the numeric 6, and all title elements as the WORD "Six". Since I've already entered the info from the magazine #6, this is clearly the book version. With an Arabic numeral rather than Roman on the file name. Since I buy all my books electronically these days, it's very hard to know whether I'm looking at a copy intended as "magazine" or "book". And since I generally only have one of these at hand, the other column of my best guess gets populated with question marks. I came to Wikipedia to try to learn the organization and discovered that I seem to know more than anyone else here. So I'll do the best I can. In the grand Wikipedia tradition, corrections are welcome.Gossg (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The physical actual books sitting here on my desk as I type this during my lunchbreak have the Roman numerals III, IV and V, not the text or the Arabic numerals. (Gee, guess what I read at lunch.) I believe that this is consistently the case with real books, as opposed to mere electronic files. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found which editor's preface made the Roman Numeral versus Arabic claim. I have purchased a number of ebook Gazettes up to X from Baen - I assume that these are the magazine, but they have have Roman Numerals. So it looks like there is no reliable way at all to tell if you're reading a book or a magazine. Should I delete the introduction or leave it the way it is? My inclination is to leave it with what I entered last week. If I can find which Flint introduction made the claim, I'll cite it. Gossg (talk) 18:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See, this is God's way of punishing you for not buying actyuall paper-and-ink books as Gutenberg intended: such confusions do not arise when the artifact is right there in front of you, weighing down your shelves and weakening your structural foundations, instead of existing as a mere mutually-agreed-upon hallucination on a glass screen. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:59, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The books are only up to VI, covering magazines up to 17 or so. The e-magazines are up to 42 and I'm reading #22. Real books take time to produce, and come out much later.. (grin). You're welcome to add any information that the books reveal. The cite we were discussing in early June has been reference #4 in the article for most of a month now.

I have updated sections 4 and 5, and created 6 and 8. These are as up-to-date as I have available. I have made minor updates in 1 and 3. I don't have strong enough opinions to contest anything else in sections 1 to 3.

You have the books? OK, then you fix-up what you think is outdated. I've done my best on what I know. The list of stories will grow as I get to them (and I'm already way beyond where the actual paper books have got to). Your paper books cover stories up to the middle of 2007. I'm currently entering data from 2009, and have bought the magazines up to last March.

[whining deleted next day Gossg (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)][reply]

  Gossg (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Believe me, Goss, no sneer was intended! I want to thank you for what you've done here. Buy you one at the Thuringen Gardens some day? --Orange Mike | Talk 19:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unemployed. Unless I get hit by the Assiti, I can't afford a trip to Thuringia any time soon. And without the need to change, I still like the watery super-chilled lagers that everyone in Grantville learned to hate. I don't think the Gardens serve those. [more deletion]

Gossg (talk) 22:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, don't diss the Amerikanische lagers; they kept my hometown in business for decades (I live on Brewers' Hill in schoene Milwaukee and belong to the Brewery Credit Union). Myself, I prefer an Irn Bru or a peach Nehi. Will you be attending the WorldCon in Chicago this year? Eric and several of the usual suspects will be there, of course. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I read this page before going to the article. The update's "been addressed", so no problems.Gossg (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]