Talk:St. Cloud, Minnesota

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Is the purpose of this article to discuss St. Cloud or merely to describe it in terms of how far it is from the Twin Cities and whether the "media markets" overlap?

Need Higher Quality Pictures

I don't want to discourage people from contributing, but the two pictures that were added are not of sufficient quality to remain on the site. They are basically snapshots, and do not add value to the article. The business district picture is not famed properly, should be landscape, not portrait, and doesn't portray an attractive view of the downtown. It may be recognizable to people who live in St. Cloud, but it isn't worthy of publishing on a relatively short article about the city. The bus picture doesn't add anything. It could be a bus in front of a building anywhere.

If you are going to add pictures to the St. Cloud site, please make them high quality, and show the world something about the city that they might find interesting. There are many more interesting views. If I have time, will try to add one myself.

Sorry to remove your content, but the pictures just don't make the grade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.248.108 (talk) 17:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Message to poster of "Downtownstcloudsmall.jpg". I have removed your picture for the second time and will continue to remove it. This is a very poor quality snapshot, not even level, showing mostly asphalt roadway. This is not a picture that deserves to represent downtown St. Cloud in a web page seen world wide. It apparently originated in a picture phone, which explains some of the distortion. Pictures that include buildings should have perspective corrected using any of several widely available tools (photoshop, gimp). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.82.40 (talk) 04:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

The city clerk's page is at St. Cloud, not Saint Cloud. St. Cloud city clerk page FearÉIREANN 18:50 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The City Clerk's page also says "Saint Cloud" at the top. St. is an abbreviation of Saint, yet on official city documents (city ordinances, the mayor's State of the City address, etc.) they use St. Strange! Kedster ^T/_C 14:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Swisshelm

Why go on forever about Swisshelm? There is a separate page devoted to her. She is only one person in the history of a community that spans 150 years. This information is overdone. Unless the author can defend this, it will be deleted.

Template for a U.S. City

For those who plan on editing and expanding this article, please follow the Template for a U.S. City. Thanks!--Daveswagon 09:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

It would be useful to note how the name of this city is pronounced. Is it some approximation to the French original [san'klu] or pronounced as though it is the English words "saint" and "cloud" [seɪnt'klaʊd]? --Macrakis 01:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from the area and I've always heard it pronounced the same way as any English speaker would pronounce "saint" and "cloud".--Daveswagon 01:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[san'klu] is occasionally used by people being obtuse. I've heard it maybe 2-3x in my life. -Ravedave 05:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Claims to Fame

FYI: St. Cloud was listed as one of the absolutely worst places to live in America. Check out this reference. (reference deleted) 05:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC) NOTE: the reference link has been deleted. It was identified as a "sock puppet": "an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community"

That is absolutely hilarious, but as the article points out, more legitimate studies actually rank the city rather high in several regards. Aside from being boring and aesthetically uninspired, there's a whole lot more that could be wrong with St. Cloud.--Daveswagon 06:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The author of the study on worst places never visited St. Cloud. Choose your sources.

Applauds*66.216.231.105 (talk) 20:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Fio[reply]

Adding information

Don't flame me here, but I think that something about long-standing racial tension in St. Cloud--which is often addressed in the news--should be brought up in this article.Maddiej (talk) 02:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I"ve lived in Saint Cloud for years, and I've never once seen more racial tension than I have in any other American city. Yes, the city used to be almost all white. Yes, there are now a large number of nonwhite citizens, including many Somali, Hmong, and Mexican immigrants. Yes, there are racist people here. There are racist people everywhere. But "long standing racial tensions"? Not really. Most of the people in Saint Cloud, including the whites, are not racist. Why does Saint Cloud have a high reported incidence of hate crime? Because unlike other cities, Saint Cloud reports its hate crimes as hate crimes. Yes, there is racism in the city. But not signifigantly more than in other cities, and not enough to warrant putting it down as having a problem with racism. Like it or not, saying anything about racism on the page will immediately cause the city to fall under the broad brush of racist, a title it does not deserve. --EmDoy (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence in "History" section??

Currently, the opening sentence in the "History" section says: "Minnesota was organized as a territory in 1849. The St. Cloud area had been opened to legal ownership by non-Native Americans following treaty negotiations with the Winnebago tribe in 1851 and 1852." What is the citation for that? The reason I ask is that it wasn't until the Treaty of Fond du Lac in 1847 the area just north of St. Cloud was ceded by the Ojibwe, but it was ceded to the Ho-chunks (Winnebago tribe) and not the non-Natives, and they didn't cede the area until 1865... anyway, the area is north of St. Cloud from Sartell northward and westward, to Long Prairie River. In addition, the area St. Cloud itself is in is Dakota land-cession area, ceded in 1851. CJLippert (talk) 19:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Racist and Otherwise Bigoted Reputation(?)

I think that in mentioning any talk about the reputation Saint Cloud has regarding racial tensions, it is important to mention that the most recent Chief of Police happens to be an African-American male--the first African American chief police in Minnesota outside of Minnesota. I believe the source is in the Saint Cloud Times archives, if anyone would like to do some investigating. (I know this makes me sound lazy, but I do want to make a some kind of contribution.)

Another thing to mention is how there remains quite a bit of homophobia in the Saint Cloud area. I believe this has mostly to do with this area of Minnesota consisting predominantly of Roman Catholics. I may be wrong and inaccurate, but if I am, I would like to see proof.

To the person who said that Saint Cloud is aesthetically uninspired, I believe we should take a look at most of the "locals" who live here. They are not very intelligent and many of them are unattractive. Perhaps there is a correlation in this regard.

Someone should also mention how Saint Cloud, because it is incredibly spread out, there is little sense of community let alone infrastructure. This can explain why many believe Saint Cloud functions like a small town rather than an actual city.

For Saint Cloud State University, I think it is important to mention that this is probably the only university where you will see a substantial student population wearing hunting camouflage--therefore, perpetuating the reputation Saint Cloud has as consisting nothing but hicks.