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I have created a sub section here on "UN admits Sri Lanka civil war failure"; Please review.Sudar123 (talk) 07:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let Aleister live! Long live Wikipedia!

Hello, Saddhiyama.

Thank you for responding. I wasn't logged in from this shared home computer, but I am now. (Same IP address.)

I believe that a mistake was made, and is continuing to be made. I would ask, what would the appropriate link be for Aleister Crowley? The truth is, one is linking an on-line encyclopedia to a more objective, more thorough encyclopedia -- when the subject is the man, A.C., at least. Similarly, the Wikipedia often references, quotes or incorporates whole paragraphs and sections from other specialized encyclopedias, such as the Britannica, the Catholic,or the Judaica.

I hope we can agree that the subject of the person Aleister Crowley will be of interest to users of Wikipedia, and that it would be a shame to leave his name un-linked. I think the question between us is whether the internal Wikipedia link best serves the users, or whether the external link is more accurate. The question is one of neutral, or neutral-ish, POV. Some subjects inspire strong passions and are difficult to be neutral about. Climate change and "creationism" are two examples where "teach the controversy" is inadequate . . .

Well. I was remembering some earlier incarnation of Wikipedia's A.C. article. Without reading the Talk page, but having just re-read the current article, I am glad to change my position and advocate linking A.C.'s name to Wikipedia's own A.C. article. I hope you don't mind if I go back and do so, at least for R.A.W.

Thank you for helping me come to this conclusion.

<{:)}> BaalShemRa (talk) 13:15, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to Talk:Book

Apologies for restoring your deletion . Brain not in gear and I saw it as Book not Talk:Book. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk   14:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Happens to me sometimes as well, especially when I engange in recent changes patrolling. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism on Tollund Man

Hello! Do you have an idea for the reasons for the ongoing vandalism of the article Tollund Man? When I go through the articles history of the last 600 to 700 edits more than half of them are of such kind. Is it because he is the most known bog body? --Bullenwächter (talk) 07:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. I suspect that most of the vandalism come from school computers. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quote form Nick Kent, writer and early member of Sex Pistols

Here is a quote from a book that you would consider to be authorotative: Punk: The Whole Story, edited by Mark Blake. The book (as is so often the unfortunate case) says little about garage rock. But, in the first selection, well-known rock journalist and early member of the Sex Pistols and later London S.S. Nick Kent, says something you might find very interesting:

"For me, punk didn't sart in 1976: it started in 1971 when I first read US rock magazine Creem. The writer Dave Marsh claims he coined the phrase "punk rock" in a review he wrote for the magazine late '71 of a gig by ? & The Mysterions. But it was fellow Creem scribe Lester Bangs who really took the term and and created a whole aesthetic for it. For Bangs and his disciples, punk rock began in 1963 when Seattle quartet The Kingmen hit Number 1 stateside with the deliciously moronic Louie, Louie, grew with the influx of one hit wonders from the US mid-60's that Creem correspondent, Lenny Kaye paid fullsome tribute to with his influential 1972 album Nuggets... [1] Now you have it: an early member of the Sex Pistols expressing, not only the influence of garage rock on his band (early on they played songs such as "Steppin' Stone"), but also from where they derived the term "punk rock," quoted in an authorotative text. Garagepunk66 (talk) 03:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is a primary source, and it is not in any way authorative for the origin of punk rock, especially since our article have a good claim that it did not originate with the Sex Pistols, but in New York with the Ramones, Television, New York Dolls, Johnny Thunders etc. It is good source to support that some did have this view, as in "Nick Kent claims that he ... " etc, but it doesn't overrule the other sources, namely secondary mainstream sources that relates the traditional view of its origins. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:13, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:Qwyrxian, an Administrator, I think in a border line violation of his Admin tools. He reverted the disputed content and then protecting the page with his own explanation on the talk page. Since I also once reverted the disputed content, I think, your opinion would be helpful on the talk page Sri Lanka.Sudar123 (talk) 11:10, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm quite frankly offended by the lack of basic research you have done on this. you could have at least youtubed him... -.-
btw: have you ever heard him speak? It is his most notable personal feature. A child could have noticed that there was "something" different about his speech.
fyi: it would be helpful if you checked the talk page in the future...you'll even get a reference to the whole cleft-shabang Paranoid Android1208 (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is not up to me to search for sources for claims that you make, especially not through such original research as you suggest. Add some reliable sources and then we can discuss whether such a category is viable. Until then it will be deleted on sight. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 tribes of Bavaria

http://www.bayern.de/History-and-Historic-Figures-.631/index.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.195.215.190 (talk) 11:28, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

nazism

What is "nazi crap"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.195.215.190 (talk) 12:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand

You don't understand, that these articles are related. Aim of martial arts is to control over energy in body, and they (T'ai chi ch'uan, Qigong etc) use some mechanism like Sublimation (psychology), and that is topmost stage of martial arts - so-called "contactless fight" when one can defeat his enemy not by physical powers, but by use of metaphysical or psycological power (just like that words or mantras are used to heal someone, or religion also defeats death). And Kierkegard is a philosopher who also understood that there are different stage in religion/consciousness, that one first may like some external forms (ethics, aesthetics) and then later goes into religion, and thus he "sublimates" his energy and redirects it (just like in martial arts) into another direction - from destruction to creativity, and ultimately this leads to liberation of one from birth and death (Eastern martial arts talk widely of attaining immortality - that is their ultimate philosophy)... Qi Gong is also a similar subect, just like Tai Chi Quan. There are different martial arts systems, which are related to buddhism and/or taoism (you know Yin and yang?), so in this sense philosophy of Kierkegard is very close to what I say. To make it more clear you can also think of pressure points in accupuncture: one may know that there are points which are "fatal", and pressing them may lead to death, and on other hand there are some points on body pressing which leads to extension of life. But one who knows better about energy centers like chakras, prana etc can feel those points and aura, and use that knowledge to defeat enemy (especially in self-defence) without touching him physically... Well, it is a sacred/secret knowledge, if you don't like it, then you may live for some more millions of lifetimes in this world to understand... Good luck, atheist! [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.52.196.166 (talk) 12:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kick boxing

You will need some really strong sources to make any sort of connection between Søren Kierkegaard and kick boxing. It seems like you are currently engaging in original research. --Saddhiyama Why? He studied Eastern philosophy, and he was read by Japanese even before in English... He took a lot from Buddhism etc - can't you see it? Read: Philosophy of Søren Kierkegaard: " Three stages of life: Stage One: Aesthetic, Stage Two: Ethical, Stage Three: Religious", and: "Kierkegaard and Eastern Philosophy Because Kierkegaard read Schopenhauer, and because Schopenhauer was heavily influenced by Eastern philosophy, it would seem that Kierkegaard would have shown an awareness of Eastern philosophy. ... Anyone who is familiar with such Asian traditions as Buddhist, Taoist, or Shinto philosophy, will quickly see the philosophical similarities that Kierkegaard shares with these traditions. These similarities perhaps explain the Japanese reception of Kierkegaard and the fact that Japanese awareness and translations of Kierkegaard were appearing at least 30 years before any English translations.[19] There is also extensive Japanese scholarship on Kierkegaard, a scholarship that interprets Kierkegaard's philosophy in terms of Asian thought.[20] This interpretation is understandable when one sees that Kierkegaard's central concerns of subjectivity, anxiety, freedom, despair, and self-deception, are also of central concern to Buddhism and, consequently, that there is nothing exclusively Christian about such concerns.[21] Both Kierkegaard and Zen Buddhism, for example, have seen the predicaments of existence in very similar ways.[22] A specific example of the similarities here can be seen in Purity of Heart where Kierkegaard describes the state of awareness that one must enter in order to partake of confession. Kierkegaard's description of this state is similar to the state of meditation described by Buddhist philosophers.[23] It is distinct, however, in that the aim of confession, for Kierkegaard, is "to center itself upon this relation to itself as an individual who is responsible to God" (cf. Kierkegaard, "Purity of Heart").[24] Kierkegaard aims to claim back the subject from the "crowd" mentality of Christendom (cf. Kierkegaard, "On the Dedication to 'That Single Individual' ")[25] and reaffirm the absolute responsibility to God, which is our telos (cf. Kierkegaard, "Fear and Trembling").[26] Kierkegaard's thought, as grounded in the Christian tradition ("Purity of Heart" begins "Father in heaven! What is a man without thee!"), while bearing similarities to Buddhist meditation, assumes the inability of the individual fully to grasp God and seeks to reclaim the individual for personal relationship with God, unmediated by the human "crowd", and so is at its foundation distinct from the foundation of Buddhist philosophies."

Here it is said that Kierkegard told more about God as He is west, because Christianity has different idea. Now, as for direct connection especially with kick-boxing or martial arts: yes it is here: Sublimation (psychology): "In psychology, sublimation is a mature type of defense mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses or idealizations are consciously transformed into socially acceptable actions or behaviour, possibly converting the initial impulse in the long term. Freud defines sublimation as the process of deflecting sexual instincts into acts of higher social valuation, being "an especially conspicuous feature of cultural development; it is what makes it possible for higher psychical activities, scientific, artistic or ideological, to play such an important part in civilised life".[1] Wade and Tavris present a similar view stating that sublimation is when displacement "serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions."[2] Sublimation allows us to act out socially unacceptable impulses by converting them into a more acceptable form. Freud believed that sublimation was a sign of maturity (indeed, of civilization), allowing people to function normally in culturally acceptable ways."

If you think what could Kierkegard mean by first "Esthetical stage" - this can be related to all those misinterpretations in martial arts and spiritual systems when people would rather think religion is just for their personal esthetics, when they consider themselves as "gods". Then next goes ethical level. This is close to yoga system, when one first accepts idea of yama, niyama, asana, - that is control of the senses and brahmacarya, so he goes beyond level of Nirvana or impersonalism ("esthetical level"), and to level of ethics. Finally, when one attains top level of yoga - and goes into samadhi - he can see God (be that Buddha, Krishna, Jesus or who knows who else, maybe Allah or Yahweh...), and that is 3rd level in Kierkegard's philosophy - religion. And if we think of varnasrama system of India (we know that Buddhism came from India, and yoga with its mystic perfections and martial arts - also came from India) - there are four classes of men, including ksatriyas (warriors) and brahmanas (intellectual priests). But when we speak of Kierkegard and Kung-fu or Kick-boxing, or Tai-Chi-Quan or Qi-Gong, we see how Buddhist monks in Shaolin monastery practice celibacy: they redirect their sex impulse (because sex is passion, and ksatriya or warrior he is also in passion) into celibacy - they practice asanas (sit in lotus postures), practice control of senses and then meditation of which Kierkegard knew most probably from Schopenhauer), calling this stage - religion (level #3). So in this sense one slowly becomes more conscious of himself, knowing that he is not a body (and thinks less of personal esthetics), but a soul - thus thinks of self-realization and religion, connection with God. Finally, when he is disturbed by some wrong elements in society which are demoniac (grossly atheistic/materialistic), he uses his energy which he got from meditation to defeat enemy. He wins because in this fight winner is one who can go above passion, and rise to level of goodness, so int this way ksatriya or warrion can become brahmana. In this sense Kierkegard's philosophy can rise one from level of ksatriya (passion, see rajas) to level of brahmana(see: sattva), who is free from passion. And that allows him to enter into spiritual world and attain spiritual immortality... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.52.196.166 (talk) 13:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately Wikipedia has no place for your original research. I recommend taking it to one of the numerous philosophy discussion forums that exist on the net. Cheers. --Saddhiyama (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flashback Media Group

I have blocked 46.195.55.193 for 24 hours, for edit warring and "original research". I have also posted a fairly long message to User talk:46.195.55.193, attempting to make it clearer what the problems are. However, I think I should also point out that you have been edit warring there too. I am not blocking you, as there are several differences, such as the fact that you have been removing, rather than adding, unsourced content, the fact that you have made a smaller number of reverts than the anonymous editor, and the fact that you have not been warned. However, you need to bear in mind that being "right" is not a justification for edit warring, and you may yet be blocked if you continue. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you. I realise that, and I should have engaged in discussion already last night, unfortunately it was late and I put it off for later and just stuck to reversion. I have now tried starting a discussion regarding sources on the talk page. Hopefully it will prevent any further need for administrator intervention. --Saddhiyama (talk) 11:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The fact that you have started a discussion on the article talk page is another point in your favour, even if you did not do so at the earliest moment. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image on Reform and criticism section on United Nations

Civilians are being displaced in Northern Sri Lanka during the final months of the war. A review of UN action criticized the UN leadership, UN Security Council and top UN officials in Sri Lanka.

I have re-added the above image which is removed by User:Rich Farmbrough without edit summary on the Reform and criticism section on United Nations; since the image depicts one of the worst human tragedies human kind ever faced and reviewed by the UN itself its fault and found guilty.Sudar123 (talk) 02:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discordian: Episkopos

Hello sir, I respect you in so much that you maintain a groovy page full of hip esoteric references. I am known as Jay Bee over at google and can make a mean plate of nachos. Eris told me to edit the page and ad my name. Since it does not hurt anyone and I have no documentation to cite, it would be nice if you took it with good humor. Fnord. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.71.57.207 (talk) 05:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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What attack?

"You miserable vomitous mass," is a quotation from The Princess Bride. And auto-reverting is a sin deserving of some suitable response. One step forward, one step back... let's not automatically take the one step back. 24.162.243.177 (talk) 16:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't really matter where the line comes from, it is a personal attack regardless. And you haven't been "auto-reverted" nor accused of vandalism. It was in fact a real live human editor, who considered your edits good faith edits but still deemed them as questionable, since you didn't provide any edit summary. Please remember that next time, and please refrain from the personal attacks, even the ones you pick up from literature. Thanks. --Saddhiyama (talk) 16:41, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. 24.162.243.177 (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

rationale

I deleted section called "Secular women" because article Islam and secularism was too lengthy and the specific deleted article was a bit irrelevant, unnecessary and was not enough neutral. Neither women in Muslim world are more secular then men, nor men are more Islamist then women so there was no need for a special article. --Ahmed 313-326 (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. I did think the section was bordering some WP:SYNTH-issues as well, but since I don't really have any expertise in the subject it is nice to hear an explanation from an editor who does. Just please remember to use edit summaries in the future, it will probably alos prevent any misunderstandings about your edits if you do. Cheers. --Saddhiyama (talk) 21:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Carlson

Since you are doing such a great job here and seem to be quite informed about Danish history matters, may I ask you for help with a person named Carlson. This I know about him:

Carlson was the commander of some Danish warships anchoring off Greifswald in the winter of 1712/1713. It was the time of the Great Northern war, Sweden's Stenbock advanced westward and burned Danish Altona, which led Denmark's ally Peter the Great to instruct Menshikov to burn some Swedish-Pomeranian towns in revenge. Menshikov forwarded this order to Staff (a German in Russian service), who burned Gartz and Wolgast and prepared to burn Anklam, too. Carlson (DK) and Staff (RUS) both had their quarters at occupied Swedish Greifswald. When Staff was about to leave Greifswald to burn Anklam, Carlson urged him not to, and when Staff declined the plea, Carlson called him a 'murderous incendiary.' Staff fought a duel with Carlson on Greifswald's market square, and stabbed him to death. This upset the commander of Greifswald's occupation forces, Saisan (a Frenchman in Saxon service), who arrested Staff - Anklam was saved and (later) a street after was named after Carlson in remembrance (Carlsonstraße, still named so today).

What I can not find is any additional information about Carlson. First, Carlson looks "un-Danish" - was it Carlsen instead [2]? Second, what was his first name? Third, what was his rank - the German sources either title him commander ("Kommandeur," "Befehlshaber") or admiral; was he really an admiral? 4th, when exactly did he die - the German sources give either the 1st or 3rd April 1713 as the day of his death. And after all, when and where was he born, and what did he do before he came to Greifswald?

If you have access to Danish literature/sources that can help me with any of these questions, please let me know. Thank you for your time! Skäpperöd (talk) 11:09, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will look into it and get back to you (some of the sources I have to get from the library, which may take a couple of days). It does sound more probable that his name was Carlsen, but then again you never know. --Saddhiyama (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked User:Viking1808 to assist in the search for information, since this is exactly the subject they specialise in. --Saddhiyama (talk) 21:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a stub article on Swedish wikipedia for this officer Christian Thomesen Carl. A copy of the entry in T. A. Topsøe-Jensen og Emil Marquard (1935) “Officerer i den dansk-norske Søetat 1660-1814 og den danske Søetat 1814-1932“. has now been sent to Skäpperöd. I cannot find other references to Christian Thomesen Carl on a quick trawl of Danish sources. Viking1808 (talk) 14:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clearing up the name bit and for the help with the entry from the book! Strange that the name could deviate so much in the different sources. With the information you provided regarding the name I took a browse through the indexes for Personalhistorisk Tidsskrift 1880-1965 and found several entries for Chr. Thom. Carl, kommandør: 1914 issue, p. 169ff, 1915 issue, p. 196, 1918 issue, p. 25, 1920 issue, p. 24, 27 and the 1927 issue, p. 96. But since they are all published prior to the entry in the Topsøe-Jensen & Marquard work they probably don't contain anything important that isn't already mentioned there. The last major source that may contain some information is the 10-volume Bidrag til den store nordiske Krigs Historie by the Danish General Staff. There is a general index in the 10th volume. --Saddhiyama (talk) 15:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I too am a little bit concerned that in Topsøe-Jensen/Marquard, the name is somehow mixed up with Christian Thomesen Sehested, but maybe it was fashionable to name children 'Christian Thomesen' at that time? The entry in Topsøe-Jensen/Marquard was written by JH Lützow, who was long dead by 1935 when the edition was published, so Topsøe-Jensen and Marquard likely took that entry from one of Lützow's collections. The content of that entry however leaves no doubt that Lützow's 'Christian Thomesen Carl' is the very 'Carlson' from the German sources, who in turn - as far as I have seen - never use 'Carl' or any first names (that's why I came here in the first place...)

The sv.wiki article http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Thomesen_Carl references the Svensk uppslagsbok, Lund 1930, but I was not able to search its online (1955) edition. I will start an article here at en.wiki asap. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From Topsøe-Jensen's book again (volume II, pages 496-500), it is clear that Christen (nb spelling) Thomesen Sehested is not the same as our Kommandør Christian Thomesen Carl. Sehested was the highest ranking naval officer ( højstbefalende søofficier ) in the Duchies ( Hertugdommerne ) in that year but he still held command ved Rügen - and Kommandør Carl exercised command in his (ie Sehested's ) absence until his (ie Carl's) death on 29/3 1713. Sehested was born in 1664 and died in 1736. Not my period! (yet). Viking1808 (talk) 17:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did not suggest that Sehestedt and Carl(son) were the same person, just that Lützow might have mixed up their names somehow, given that Carl(son) was Sehested's substitute. Nevermind!
Christian Thomesen Carl is now a blue link. Thank you som much for your help. Skäpperöd (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AIV

Please stop adding various (related) IPs to AIV if the IPs are not presently engaged in disruptive editing. There's no point in blocking an IP if the user has moved on to another IP. No action will be taken if there is no current activity. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 22:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I am not quite sure what you are talking about. The vandalism edits of the two IPs I reported were as fresh as they could be at the time of reporting. And they were obviously the same person that had been constantly vandalising the same article for the past two days. The same IPs even.
And by the way thanks for finally giving an explanation for your removal of them from the AIV board. Usual procedure is that an admin provides a comment below the report until a second admin removes the reports. That way the editor who placed the report can see why no action was taken. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:03, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You reported the IPs more than 2 hours after their last edits. I'm not sure I understand "fresh as they could be". They were stale when they were reported. There is no value in reporting an IP to AIV if the IP isn't active at the time of the report unless it's not bouncing, persistently disruptive, and reasonably warned. RPP is the place to go in that situation. My mistake in this case for not adding the comment instead of removing - I generally do. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 14:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ARYAN

Hi, can you have a look on Aryan page. Someone is removing sourced contents.Rajkris (talk) 19:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

De derre Vikingene

Dav, mester,

thx for feedback.

- I'm new to wiki (as you can see from the abominable formatting of my writ); QED: I'm writing here because I still haven't figured out how to respond in the same section on the VA talk page  :-) (hints welcome) - I'm Norwegian, and will understand the occasional Danish term

In response to your response, I'd like to state that

- my motivation is to improve the article - what I tried to _do_ to improve it is to give input to the "when was the viking age" issue (vide the section "Merge "Vikings" and "Viking Age"?" on the talk page)

    - I see this not as OR, but as "metadiscussion" :-)
    - of course, the "World History as British History" is OR; or would have been,
      if I had proposed to include it in the article, which I don't and never would,
      because it is one man's opinion. (ALthough it's really really true ...:-)
          - The point of that point was that the question "when was the viking age"
            may never be answered; and, specifically, not if one is not aware of the
            historiographical confusion that I tried to analyze in my three points.

- The main point is perhaps that the article would be better with a little cleanup, primarily, IMHO, with a better disposition and headings to match the content of the sections; all of which can be done while not changing any of the content (so I'm not here to spread personal revelations from Odin). IOW, I don't see the need to consult historians re article cleanup.

I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I've read a lot of British History; I haven't (read some Norwegian and German, though). No, that impression is something I took away from lurking for many years on soc.history.medieval, where it only took on average 5 exchanges for any question of medieval history, culture or custom anywhere and at anytime, to end up in a discussion of 1066 and all that.

I am not a VA scholar, nor an experienced wikipedian, however, I'm usually good at structuring text (it's how I make my living). If that kind of input is not needed, I shall by all means keep out of the kitchen.

God helg!

MVH,

Tron 83.109.182.93 (talk) 02:08, 16 February 2013 (UTC) (Er det riktig sånn?)[reply]

  1. ^ [N.Kent, selection "Punk Rock Year Zero" as appears in Punk: The Whole Story. ed. M. Blake. 2006 Mojo Magazine, 2006. Dorling Kindersley Limited]