Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dean Graziosi (2nd nomination)

Dean Graziosi

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I hate to say it like this, but this article is basically bullshit. ref 1 does not back up his claim to be a entrepreneur or business speaker. This read as an advert. Making the New York Times best selling books on <insert here your speciality> does not make him a best selling author. This article is promotional and not written to be encyclopaedic. Martin451 (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

comment this seems to qualify as speedy given the previous deletion discussion.Martin451 (talk) 00:14, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Delete- Per analysis provided by DGG. The article has a very promotional tone, and needs copy editing to address that, but the subject seems to be at lest minimally notable. Specifically, it meets item 4 of WP:AUTHOR: "The person has created,... a significant or well-known work,... that has been the subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." - Mr X 16:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No need to promote junk. The article is created by a dubious editor for a well known ponzi scheme operator who is a self-proclaimed "real estate expert", when in reality is a search engine optimization expert who creates numerous self-boasting sites designed to capture words 'fraud' and 'scam' when searched in tandem with his name to mask the possibility of discovering factual information concerning the real nature of his underhanded boiler room operations which run along with the likes of Professional Marketing International, Scott McGillivray, and Anthony Morison (whose page was also created by the same editor). Once again, no need to promote this junk. 99.135.173.43 (talk) 02:48, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on the talk page of the article, you need good reliable references to claim someone is a scammer. I had a look but could not find any, only gossip. Martin451 (talk) 23:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as I said on the talk page - I'll post some specific links, yet, there's much more than mere gossip, unless of course authentic testimonials from 1000's of ripped off victims are gossip to you. However, in the mean time, please try doing google searches with his name and words 'scam' or 'fraud' and you'll see for yourself that he indeed creates clones of his own sites designed to sway whoever searches for the quality in his "product" from the neutral sites to the ones run by him. How often do you find a respectable business entity that creates such "umbrella-capture" sites for itself in order to protect/hide its own knowingly fraudulent/scamming practices from the public's arising awareness? If this shear fact is not apparent to you, I don't think you'll be convinced by much else. 99.141.253.215 (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, comment - What you consider junk somebody else considers as good, that is your oppinion.. References support his work and his notability, somebody likes him, somebody doesn't.. --BiH (talk) 07:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems promotional, a WP:Advert, which is why it was deleted in 2009. I also looked at your talk page history, and you do seem to have an interest in writing promotional articles. I will be asking user:DGG to have a look.Martin451 (talk) 23:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keepi do not know why the hate. the article is good

and i formative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.132.67.73 (talk) 23:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The two books on the NYT best seller list are on the "Hardcover Business Best Sellers" ,not the general non-fiction best sellers, and have their records marked "Some bookstores report receiving bulk orders on these titles." Bulk orders normally mean that the books are being used in promotions of one sort or another. It's not totally damning, as than half the books on the Business Best Seller test have that indication. But is none the less quite sufficient indication that this is not necessarily the automatic pass that we would normally give to a NYT best-seller. If it were, he would be undoubtedly notable. In 2009, I !voted to keep, but I did not sufficiently analyze the best seller data, and at that time not just I but the general feeling here was not anywhere near as strict about promotional articles. This is 4 years later and articles like this, are the major threat to the encyclopedia. DGG ( talk ) 05:42, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article is clearly created for promotional purposes. 99.118.128.77 (talk) 16:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, comment - Article has good sources. Personal opinion is not a reason for deletion.
Delete Mr. Graziosi runs his operation by cranking out his bogus publications for a sole purpose of lead-generating data which is consecutively funneled to PMI, Tax Club, and others who in turn bombard these leads with high pressure telemarketing calls for the ultimate purpose of maxing out their credit cards under the pretext of so-called "coaching opportunities". He is indeed a well known con man, who appears to be in need of wiki page to legitimize his status. Lionscitygl (talk) 02:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, comment What people are saying here is not related to the article, does anyone have proof of what you are saying? Article has sources and you all have proven by talking soo much that Dean Graziosi does deserve to have a page. He seems to be a "hot topic". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.190.143.126 (talk) 18:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]