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Steve Cottle

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Fails all notability guidelines. samrolken (talk) 03:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Of your three blog references 1) Is not a blog and is a Wikipedia mirror, 2) Doesn't mention the archive at all, someone in the blog's comments section mentions it... and 3) Doesn't cover the archive at all, just mentions it in passing. samrolken (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I spent about 5 minutes trying to find stuff before running off to work because someone brought the page to my attention. I did think I'd filtered out the Wikipedia clone, so that's embarrassing. But my point was the raise the rename possibility, which I've done. If I have a chance I'll try to look up better sources, but really my area of expertise is comic books and not comic strips. Ixat totep (talk) 05:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename/Move - I'm astonished that this article was created around Steve Cottle instead of around the ilovecomix archive. The archive itself is clearly the more notable topic. I say rename/move the article.

wayland (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Can you help us establish the notability of the ilovecomix comic archive? Thanks. samrolken (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -
Inappropriate discussion of off-Wiki activity; borderline NPA/OUTING; please discuss the merits of the content, not the editors who created it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I discovered that the user who initiated this Articles for deletion (Afd) action, samrolken -- is actually a close personal friend of the subject of the article, Steve Cottle.

Mr. Cottle was interviewed extensively and the two of them have been friends for over 15 years. In fact, samrolken's only connection with Mr. Cottle is his personal friendship. samrolken apparently has no interest in comics and no appreciation of them as an artform.

Mr. Cottle and samrolken engaged in a text chat on Facebook on the evening of Feb. 25th, during which time samrolken decided to initiate the Afd and told his friend that he was going to see to it that it would be deleted and would be gone in seven days.

"You should not create or edit articles about ... your close friends. ... You should also not write about people with whom you could reasonably be said to have an antagonistic relationship in real life."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

Extensive interviewing of Mr. Cottle, as well as a detailed review of the chat transcipt confirm that not only was samrolken a close friend, but there was clearly antagonism during the chat, which timestamp records from Facebook and Wikipedia show that samrolken initiated the Afd while chatting with the subject.

"Wikipedia:Vandalism

"Abuse of tags

"Bad-faith placing of non-content tags such as {afd} ... or other tags on pages that do not meet such criteria."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism

Inasmuch as samrolken's sole nexus related to this article was his friendship with the subject, and the Conflict of Interest (CoI) is clearcut and blatant, yet hidden in this Afd page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Steve_Cottle

a reasonable conclusion would be that this is simply an act of vandalism, which should be prohibited, rejected, and rapidly withdrawn.

Drhankh (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep or Rename - While the page is poorly done, Steve Cottle is indeed notable in the comic strip collecting and history community. Notability is defined by Wikipedia as "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" and specifically " The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.". The peers in this case would be comic strip historians, a group that has not yet had anyone suggest this page for deletion. I don't know Steve myself (other than what I've read on his Wikipedia page), but I certainly do know the reputation of his archive - a wonderful source, and one that is indeed cited in current research. Certainly Steve doesn't have the importance of Bill Blackbeard or Allen Holtz, but to delete his article (or archives) by non-peers is like putting non-sports fans in charge of the sports articles. Sangorshop 00:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangorshop (talk • contribs)

Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Drhankh (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff) samrolken (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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