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Aleppo Airbase

BBC reports rebels have now begun to enter the airbase in aleppo. Not sure if it is the airport shown on the map http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22279313 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.70.130 (talk) 16:07, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, that'd be the Minakh Air Base well to the north of the city. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 17:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, like Lothar said , it's the Mengh airbase north of Aleppo next to Azaz. It has been reported partially stormed by some and fully by others but we still don't have pictures of videos of the rebels storming the whole base. --78.232.100.63

Situation of northwest of Aleppo is changed because in Al Alirimon district doesnt has fighting since one month ago and this district is under fsa control.Fighting broke out early in may in Zahra district and fsa repel atacks of syrian army in khaldyia district.Please somebody give me extra information about this costation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.241.8 (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Every second day I'm reading info about clashes between rebels and army in this area.

Please

Please read carefully messages in news. Information for fights in district can be: 1) Fight in city part 2) fight in areas in district, but far from city. If you look carefully to administrative map - every district at city suburbs have residential area, factories and large area far from city. They all are called with name of district, but area is very big. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kostadin24 (talk • contribs) 09:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Prison attack and clashes

Clashes reported around aleppo prison. Dont know where it is located http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22536489 80.193.70.130 (talk) 13:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no clue where it's located either. Can someone help us find it? --FutureTrillionaire (talk) 15:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well the prison is located between Hanadarat and the village of Muslimyiah but yet it's off the map. The rebels are currently besieging it. (Amedjay) --78.232.100.63 (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rebels were forced to retreat from the prison and soldiers had re-secured it. Rebel fighters continued to hit the facility with rockets late into the night.http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-troops-push-back-rebels-who-stormed-central-prison-in-northern-city-of-aleppo/2013/05/16/f81e3046-be16-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html92.113.70.0 (talk) 19:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aleppo's Central Prison is far-off the map to the north, do not bother trying to show rebel offensive on it. Moester101 (talk) 00:25, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't reatred because they were repelled , they retreated because the soldiers were so desesperate that they started throwing prisoners out of the windows. And as far as I know , the base is still besieged. --78.232.100.63 (talk) 09:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Map update?

This map could do with an update if possible to reflect any changes on the ground if any. Has not been updated in a while 80.193.70.130 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your wish has been granted. 1) This report [1] from on the ground shows FSA now controls road between layramoun r/a and Shihan r/a and areas north in FSA hands. I also made arrow showing rebel offensive on khalidiyah which has been happening for like 2 weeks now but I never bothered adding it before 2) the vast area in the northwest of the map is not truly in the hands of the govt or opposition (see a satellite image), especially since opposition controls norther part of the area which I have changed to reflect that. 3) word "Layramoun" has been enlarged and centered to show the size of the district. Moester101 (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with most of these changes --78.232.100.63 (talk) 21:43, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Could you mark Sheikh Saeed as contested as well? It very clearly is and has been for weeks now, but no one has yet made the change.68.149.173.125 (talk) 19:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we can't put updates if we have no informations about the ground. The frontlines seem to be calm --78.232.100.63 (talk) 09:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should Sheikh Saeed be marked as contested? This article (though lacking specifics) mentions a recent battle there and says that the SAA has "pushed back". Esn (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, it does not mention a "recent" battle. All it mentions is a battle, without any temporal placement of it. Could've happened two days ago, two weeks ago, or two months ago—we don't know, and we shouldn't claim to know. What specifics it does give is that the army took the "construction company building", which would indicate that it occurred in the industrial zone south of the ring highway, which is off the map and as such not marked as under rebel control. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sheikh Saeed should have been marked as contested weeks ago, both sides have reported clashes on several occasions...- ☣Tourbillon A ? 18:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
hmmmmmmm....from what I've been seeing recently is that sheikh saeed is still under opposition control, but the govt army is trying to retake it via shooting at it from the cement factory (south of sheikh saeed) and by bombing it with artillery from Ramouseh artillery base (to the southwest). So I guess we can show a red arrow pushing into sheikh saeed from below it, but the district itself is still in FSA hands. Agreed everyone? Moester101 (talk) 22:24, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article Esn posted shows that even the rebels acknowledge that fighting is ongoing with government forces inside the district. It is quite obviously contested and needs to be marked as such, not left as 'in opposition hands'.68.149.173.125 (talk) 19:39, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any idea where these [2][3] are exactly ? The district isn't exactly small, and it seems there isn't much precise info to determine where the clashes have taken place - in the district or at its borders. - ☣Tourbillon A ? 06:24, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any change (red arrow or colour) to signify the status would be preferable to doing nothing. Although, the whole airport nearby is marked as contested even though it's still in regime hands, so maybe Sheikh Saeed should be treated similarly, for consistency. Esn (talk) 10:24, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or we could mark the airport as we have the citadel and solve that inconsistency right there. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In this map, infrastructures have no color only districts and area do.--78.232.100.63 (talk) 11:35, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't clashes in the district itself but at the entries and the cement factory as regime forces try to storm the district but as Moester said the whole district is still under FSA hands --78.232.100.63 (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, I've made the airport red. Also, I made the far north of the city olive b/c it's depopulated and I've actually seen FSA on the northern highway (as opposed to YPG) and we don't know who controls the ten or so buildings just below the northern highway (see map if you don't know what I mean.) As for sheikh saeed, I didn't make changes b/c only northern half is shown on map (which is irrefutably in FSA hands) and I can't show a red arrow pointing from cement factory to southern sheikh saeed. Until the SAA launches a major offensive, the district will remain green. Happy everyone? Moester101 (talk) 06:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seems good. It's a shame that the map doesn't show a little more of the outskirts, but I guess it would be really difficult to do anything about that at this point. Esn (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's right as for Bustan Al Pasha does anyone have news about it? It seems to be mostly under rebel control in northern and center part and SAA in the southern part maybe we should show that in the map? What do you guys think about it? --78.232.100.63 (talk) 10:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the northern half is in FSA hands, the southern half is the frontline between FSA and SAA (olive/contested) I'll change it next time I make changes to the map. Moester101 (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Last Saturday SANA reported that "army units regained control over the village of Dahret Abad Rabah in al-Lairamoun area in Aleppo."[4] SOHR also confirms that "Several regime forces' machinery were able to enter to the Dahr A'bd Rabo area around Aleppo city."[5] I've been trying to locate this village and noticed today that someone has recently marked the housing area north of the Soap factory as Abd Rabbo [6]. What do you think, should we mark the north eastern sector of al-Layramoun as contested? Susurri (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

agreed, I changed that, along with northern bustan basha, and also Syriac and suleiman haven't seen clashes in a while and are in govt hands. Moester101 (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where you are getting your info on Suleiman and Syriac areas. I have seen video of FSA moving into Suleiman within the last week. I have not seen footage of the Syriac area, but I do know for a fact that some of it is either in FSA hands or is disputed. There have been a number of reports of fighting in the Sulaymaniyah and Syriac area, including some reports by pro Assad media. Even the pro Asaad media state that "the FSA attacked 'safe' portions of of sulaymaniya" meaning at least some of the area is FSA held. Unless someone has information to show the precise front line here, it is extremely misleading to show it as regime held. Please reverse it to disputed or provide detailed information on who holds which portions of the territory. Not that people of Aleppo likely use this map, but you don't want some civilian walking in there thinking it's safe and government held.. it's not and they might get killed - GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Susurri and Moester101, As a side note, you should generally refrain from using SANA as a news source. It is an official government agency and part of the Syrian Ministry of Information. It is NOT and objective news source. Many people consider it propeganda for that matter and not a news source at all. Citing SANA is like making changes based upon tweets or posts by an FSA commander. Please cite objective sources or at the very least cross reference sources to find independent corroboration. GFS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.169.68 (talk) 01:57, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your concern/interest. First, I do NOT use SANA as a source (ever). I make my changes from various other local news sources and also based on tons of videos coming-out of aleppo. Second, northern portions of Syriac and Suleymaniyah cannot be labeled contested just b/c rebels fired a few shots at said districts. and how can they be contested if FSA still hasn't taken southern Bustan Pasha or eastern Sheikh Maqsood? Please realize that ALL fronts and areas in the map have been carefully studied to be as accurate as possible by myself and other editors here. The map right now is as good as it can be, for now of course. Moester101 (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1 civilian was hit by a regime sniper in the Bustan al-Qasr neighbourhood. https://www.facebook.com/syriaohr/posts/37692999574867892.113.138.55 (talk) 13:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clashes are taking place in the town of Kafarhamra, by the Sheikh Sa'id side, as regime forces try to storm the town. The village of Kedar was bombarded by regime forces. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=377006375741040&set=a.150495128392167.28686.121855461256134&type=192.113.138.55 (talk) 16:02, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Layramun and Kurdish sector

Two things:

  • Apparently there has been fighting in/near the village of [old.wikimapia.org/#lat=36.2412846&lon=37.1126651&z=14&l=0&m=b Dahrat 'Abd Rabu] as the army attempts to push north; we show the area of the village currently as under full rebel control: [7] (picture caption) [8]. Mark as contested with a red arrow pointing into it.
  • Government troops have recently been trying to push into PYD-held Shaykh Maqsud without success: [9] [10]. Red arrow pointing at yellow part, but no territorial change. Also, I'm not sure how "contested" the eastern parts of the district still are, and if they are really so large. At the very least, the green arrow should be removed, and the olive area probably reduced if not also replaced by yellow/green hatching.

I'm technologically inept, so a competent individual should make these changes if there are no objections. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 16:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New independent map and edits to the map according to what PressTV says

There is a much better Aleppo battle map out there https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002238_543847278985497_1361882205_n.jpg Its by this guy https://www.facebook.com/ArabChroniclebyCedricLabrousse maybe someone can ask him for sources to his map and we can improve ours.

Also, someone has been making edits to the map that rely un conflicting and unsubstantiated claims by PressTV. (SAA taking Kafr Hamra for example)

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