Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup qualification

About 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification

I noticed that FIFA opens to all national football federations who desire take part in the qualifications the entries three years before the year of celebrations. With this criteria FIFA will be start to open the entries for 2014 World Cup during the first six months of the year 2011. --Jaboolanee (talk) 03:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Map

Why the map isn't up to date? It should be updating after every country is eliminated. / TigerTatoo

The map has been changed every time a team gets eliminated. Wikimedia had an error on creating thumbnails every time that images were updated, however. Don't worry, though, the error is gone, and the map will now be updated according to schedule. Nitroxium (talk) 04:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, the error remains. We'll just have to be patient... The maps will be updated every time, nonetheless. Nitroxium (talk) 04:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The last version is not correct, because there is no red country.Hilfemann (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

As I said, it's an error on Wikimedia's part. The maps are getting updated, but the error isn't allowing us to see the changes through the thumbnails. However, I just looked, and it seems like the error is gone now. Let's hope it stays that way.Nitroxium (talk) 18:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Why someone deleted the map? It should be here. TigerTatoo

I have returned the map, though it is currently hidden until it can get updated. 199.20.68.40 (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

But why is it hidden? Can't it be shown before and after updates? TigerTatoo

It's visible now (someone else updated it). At the time I returned the map it was out of date (i.e., Japan wasn't shown as qualified), and I didn't want to show inaccurate information. 199.20.68.40 (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

The colors on the map should match the colors on the tables. The color for "Team Qualified" could be changed to a bright green. As is, the blue of "Team qualified" and the purple of "Team did not enter World Cup" are difficult to distinguish, especially at small scales (see Bhutan). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.240.122 (talk) 18:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

For the next update someone has to add Gibraltar on gray on the map. Stigni (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Also Belarus is done playing, should be red. -- Lejman (talk) 00:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Goalscorers list

The goalscorers list has been eliminated. Personally I don't miss it but I'm not sure just eliminating it wihtout discussion is useful (and referring merely replacing something that has been a consistent feature of the page is hardly "vandalism").

Anyway, the options are: a) nothing at all, b) a restricted list (top-5, top-10) or c) a full list.

Personally I don't really mind but would choose option b (say top 10 only) if pushed. Jlsa (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't even see a source on there... – PeeJay 01:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't see a source on the "status of qualification" table. Jlsa (talk) 01:07, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see the top 10 scorers in the qualification matches organized into a table, instead of listing them via columns, which I think works better when listing all goalscorers. The does (talk) 14:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I think option b is the best. Also, there really would be no need for citations for the goalscorers list since it's simple math and common sense, no? Nitroxium (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

List or Table?

I know The does likes the table, and Drugo Harrys changed it to a list, what does everyone else think? I personally liked the wikitable better. Bar Code Symmetry (Talk) 01:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Summary of Qualification

What exactly is the point of this? It seems like very shallow information that is unnecessarily put there. At least if it would contain the next matchday, as I had done (and it was removed), then I would see the point at even looking at this chart. And even more useless is the Legend for Confederation Standings. That's not gonna change for a long time.Nitroxium (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

It's quite a useful overview of how far progressed the overall qualifying tournament is. I agree that the colours are a little unnecessary: the need for a legend adding space to the page undoes their usefulness. --Pretty Green (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Can't we attempt to have it mention the next matchday as well? I find that as very useful information for someone who wants to find out when the matches come next quickly. I don't think it'd be that hard to update it. Nitroxium (talk) 02:34, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily have removed it, but it does insert into this article yet another feature which will require constant updating for accuracy. Why not ask at User talk:Jlsa's talk page - he/she removed it and seems to think that it has previously been discussed? --Pretty Green (talk) 20:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

To keep things in order, can we safely permit changes to the "Next matchday" when the last match of the confederation's day has begun? I think it is safe to assume that the "Next matchday" has served its purpose by the time the final match of the day begins. Nitroxium (talk) 06:06, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

In other words, you think qualification will have been completed while the last match is actually being played? Jlsa (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I just think that the point of the "Next matchday" is to inform readers on when the teams in such confederation is playing. Once the last match begins, the match is already being seen and the others were seen, it served its purpose. Nitroxium (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

South Sudan on the map

Since South Sudan has been a member since May 25, 2012 should we change its color on the map? It is a FIFA member now, but it didn't join. Or should we leave it as is since it was not a member at the time that qualification began? Nitroxium (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Purple is "didn't enter" - grey is "couldn't enter" just like in every other WC qual map. Nothing has changed for South Sudan. Jlsa (talk) 04:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I just saw that the gray says "...or joined FIFA after the start of qualifying" Nitroxium (talk) 05:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

New Caledonia flag

In the section that discusses the OFC qualification, the flag shown next to New Caledonia is the French flag. Later, however, in the goals scored section, the flag that is next to the names of New Caledonian players is a separate, New Caledonian flag.

I do not have a preference as to which flag we use, but I do think we should be consistent and use the same flag for New Caledonia wherever we need it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.212.122 (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

"On the next matchday"

I've noticed that in every section of qualifying Dr Vicodine has been insistently against the parts that say "On the next matchday" followed by predictions on how different teams can get eliminated or qualify... Is there any specific reason as to why? I personally like the predictions and find them to be useful information. Is there some kind of rule against this? Nitroxium (talk) 04:04, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:NOR, WP:CRYSTAL, WP:SYNTH according to Dr Vicodine 89.144.192.70 (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

A comment on Dr Vicodine talk page to WP:NOR/ WP:SYNTH: " Routine calculations do not count as original research. Basic arithmetic, such as adding numbers, converting units, or calculating a person's age, is allowed provided there is consensus among editors that the calculation is an obvious, correct, and meaningful reflection of the sources " 89.144.192.70 (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

How would you go about making a consensus? Pardon my ignorance. Nitroxium (talk) 02:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the calculations are "routine" enough that they should not count as being against the guidelines. I could do them myself, but I'm more than happy to let someone do them for me. I think they should stay. asimperson (talk) 08:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not speak for Dr. Vicodine, but from looking on his talk page he appears to be citing this resolution as to why he is removing all the "on the next matchday" blurbs. 199.20.68.40 (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#.22On_The_Next_Matchday.22_Blurbs says the UEFA_Champions_League decision referring to FIFA world cup articles is only opinion and may be incorrect Catprog (talk) 22:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Highlight color table

Should a color table be put to explain why some teams are highlighted in the standings? I'm asking because I've seen something like this in the UEFA Qualifiers article, but it only explains that teams in green have secured qualification (which none have yet), but some of the group's last-placed teams are highlighted in pastel yellow, while Scotland's in pink. As far as I could grasp, the pink can only mean that Scotland can no longer qualify, despite still having matches to play. I don't get what the yellow (Macedonia, Kazakhstan, Andorra and San Marino) means, though (especially considering that Faroe is worse on the standings than Kazakhstan).

Also, in the AFC standings, Japan's highlighted in blue. I'm not sure whether that means "virtually qualified" or something of the sort, as they only need a victory to qualify as of this entry.

Shouldn't there be a table to explain these color tags in this article and the subsequent articles of each qualifying zone? 201.59.48.224 (talk) 20:53, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that there should be a table in each specific article per confederation, which I think there is. Nitroxium (talk) 07:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that each confederation's qualification process is different. As it stands now, they'll correspond (green = qualified already; blue = clinched at least playoff; yellow = cannot qualify directly, can still reach playoff; red = cannot qualify, still have matches to play), but even there they're going to have different meanings. Blue in OFC/CONCACAF/CONMEBOL means they qualify for at least the intercontinental playoff (in New Zealand's case, they have already), but (as of this timestamp) blue in the AFC means they've clinched at least the AFC 5th Round (the two third-place teams playing a home-and-home whose winner advances to the intercontinental playoff). I'm not sure there's a straightforward, elegant way of resolving it. 199.20.68.40 (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Additonal edit regarding Faroe Islands and Kazakhstan - Faroe Islands have played two fewer matches thus far, meaning they can still mathematically win the group. Kazakhstan don't have enough matches left to do so. 199.20.68.40 (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Page needs protection

...because of repeated vandalism. See page history for today for example.188.67.255.230 (talk) 13:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Qualification table

The Previous Best column may not be necessary, as past and historical performance has no bearing on current performance. For example, France's 2002 performance, while as the previous champion, France was out in the first round. Data pertaining to "previous best" can be viewed with each individual team page. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 21:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Additionally if the previous best column is to be continued it is very questionable to claim Bosnia-Herzegovina's previous best was 3rd at the 1930 world cup. There are 6 "successor teams" to Yugoslavia and unless Fifa has ruled specifically on the matter it is unreasonable "successor team" or not for all of them to claim Yugoslavia's past records as their own. Furthermore even if Yugoslavia's records are counted as Bosnia-Herzegovina's Fifa has established retroactively that Yugoslavia officially got 4th place in the 1930 world cup not 3rd.