Talk:Limited atonement
Bible
Flex: Why'd you remove the Biblical passages cited in refuting limited atonement? KHM03 13:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
- I think he is in the process of editing and rearranging some sections. I'd give him a little time to see what he comes up with. Regards, Jim Ellis 13:23, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
- Correct. I should have edited the whole article in order to relocate that section, but I had already edited that portion and was just being lazy. Sorry. Let me know if you object to the revisions. --Flex 14:23, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I think that the problematic passages ought to be restored to the "Objections" section. The primary objections to the doctrine are Biblical, not just theological; Wesleyans (et al) interpret "all" to mean, quite simply, "all", and don't prefer to qualify the word (which is what we feel Calvinists do...and must do to maintain the doctrine). Without the passages under "Objections", it reads as if Christendom accepted the idea of limited atonement, and a few groups don't like it, when, in fact, a relatively small group affirms it (Calvinists) and most reject it (Catholics, Orthodox, Wesleyans, et al). So I think restoring those passages would be less POV and result in a more accurate article. KHM03 15:08, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
- Better? --Flex 15:38, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Much better. Good work. KHM03 15:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Universal vs. Unlimited
By the way...there is a difference between universal atonement & unlimited atonement. Unlimited atonement is the idea that while Christ potentially atoned for the sin of all humankind, not all will be saved (this is the Wesleyan model). Universal atonement is the idea that Christ did atone for the sin of all humankind, and therefore, all people, ultimately, are saved. Just so you know. KHM03 19:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
- Right. The term universal is also used in the sense of unlimited in your circles, right? It has been used that way in the 1911, for instance, when discussing Amyraldianism. I added a qualifier about which meaning is intended. --Flex 20:10, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
That looks fine to me. KHM03 20:21, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
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