Talk:White Terror (Spain)

Error on Pablo Picasso

Pablo Picasso was NOT exiled by Francisco Franco. He lived in France during AND AFTER the Spanish Civil War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.115.152 (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Definition of exile accordin to the Britannica online: "prolonged ABSENCE from one’s country IMPOSED by vested authority as a punitive measure. It most likely originated among early civilizations from the practice of designating an offender an outcast and depriving him of the comfort and protection of his group."

Definition of exile according to Wikipedia: “Exile means to be away from one's home (i.e. city, state or country), while either being explicitly REFUSED PERMISSION TO RETURN and/or being threatened with imprisonment or death upon return. It can be a form of punishment and solitude. "

According to the Birmingham University, Pablo Picasso was a exile. Picasso was not expelled by the francoist government, but he could not live or even visit Spain. How many times Picasso visited Spain between 1939 and his death in 1973? Sorry, about my poor english.Ajfernandez2001 (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Look

There is plenty of info on the Francisco Franco page relating to persecution after the Spanish Civil War. Someone should have a look, I have to go...

Liquidcentre (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

High number of inline citations

The article rightly has many inline citations but I'd like to suggest that where an item has more than one citation to it, we can reduce this number by removing the Spanish-language ones, as the English ones probably suffice. Obviously where there is no English reference, we can keep the Spanish one.

I don't want to start removing anything without consensus first, especially from the two main editors of this article as they have put a lot of work into it, but I think that to better comply with Wikipedia referencing guidelines, we should keep the Spanish-language references to a minimum. Feedback? --Technopat (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

At a brief glance, the introduction needs some attention, as it loses some of the required neutral encyclopaedic tone. • \ / (⁂) 12:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Any suggestions for solving it?--Technopat (talk) 13:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Having a quote bolded in the intro goes against MoS, but seems to push the viewpoint that the coup was designed to threaten the population. Words such as 'atrocities' in the intro, however accurate, aren't neutral. Try rewording it into three short introductory paragraphs. The first paragraph to describe what it is, the second to describe what happened, and the third to note the modern analysis and understanding of the event. The first sentence could be:

In Spain, White Terror (also known as Represión Franquista) refers to the acts of the Nationalist movement during the Spanish Civil War and during Francisco Franco's dictatorship.

It's the last paragraph that has me concerned, it explicitly states the goals of the acts without giving significant context. • \ / (⁂) 21:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestions - fully agree. Just one doubt: when you refer to your concern over the "last paragraph" do you mean the last of the three introductory paras. or the last para. of the article? --Technopat (talk) 22:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The above issues have been addressed. Are there any other issues outstanding? Do "we therefore leave the NPOV tag up until there is a consensus that it should be removed."? The subject is necessarily controversial but that doesn't mean the article needs to have the NPOV tag up if/when it no longer comes across as non-encyclopedic. Feedback, please. --Technopat (talk) 14:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice work!

Simply to drop a thumbs up here, neutrally written and well referenced.Nice work! :) Dr Benway (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Estimates

I have added a (referenced) ridiculously low estimate to compensate the (unreferenced) ridiculously high estimate of 800,000.213.4.112.58 (talk) 14:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I propose to eliminate the lowest (60.000) and the highest estimates (800.000). Today the works of Salas Larrazabal are considered useless by most of the historians. The first sentence could be: Estimates range from 150.000 to 400.000. (both estimates referenced). Ajfernandez2001 (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that seems reasonable.213.4.112.58 (talk) 15:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

In the years 40 more of 200.000 was starved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.209.20 (talk) 01:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

(This comment comes from Zaragoza.)

"In the 1940s, more than 200,000 were starved."

Are you saying, deliberately starved, like Stalin in the Ukraine?

Or was there a famine, in Extremadura for example, at that time?

Varlaam (talk) 15:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Red Terror

Commies in Catalonia and International Brigades had their own concentraion camps

LEFTIST (RED TERROR)UNDERSTATED ON THIS PAGE read more: http://libcom.org/files/The%20Battle%20for%20Spain_%20The%20Spani%20-%20Anthony%20Beevor.pdf